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[Stemar]

Since you're turning to crime to provide your boat, here's a nice one that's already in the eastern Med:

But be gentle with them, they seem a nice couple...

More seriously, Snapdragons are tough old boats, and the 24/747 have a proper, albeit small, heads compartment and a better forepeak than most boats of the size. Best treated as a motorsailer if the wind's in the wrong direction, but we had ours for 18 years and took her across the Channel in spite of (or perhaps because of) the insurance broker who told us 24 ft was far too small to go offshore.

Doubt very much if you'd find one in the Med, though.

Whatever boat you get in that size range, give serious thought to a cockpit tent. Ours was far too much money to spend on an old boat, but was still one of the best investments we made on her, as it gave us an extra room, allowing us to stay outside when everyone else had gone below.

 

[Praxinoscope]

As long as your traffic police don’t use a micrometer to measure beam the Centaur is 2.57m beam against your legal restriction of 2.55, you should be OK.

 

[Kelpie]

Very much a personal opinion, but I have always felt that various sail patterns and rigs have developed over the years to suit the particular winds/ sailing conditions that they were originally used in, the wind and wave patterns in the South China seas suit the Junk rig perfectly, as do the sails of an Arab Dhow suit the waters of the Nile, I can see the attraction of the simplicity of the junk rig, but feel that it it’s performance is less effective in the winds and waters of Europe.

The predominant rig found around Europe is now the Bermudan sloop, but that's a relatively recent thing which has only dominated sailing since the switch away from working boats to racing and leisure.

If you go back a couple of generations there were all sorts of gaffers, luggers, sprits, etc in common use.

In my part of the world the dipping lug rig was the workhorse for small boats. Bears absolutely no relationship to the yachts that sail there today.

 

[mjcoon]

More seriously, Snapdragons are tough old boats, ...

Doubt very much if you'd find one in the Med, though.

Unless left over from the flotillas I partook of in the 1970s. How tough did you say they are, again?...

 

[Wansworth]

Sold alittle 23 footer back in 1979, in Chichester ,turned up for sale in2002 in Gibralter and a few years later on the Spanish coast for sale,someone had take the stuart Turner out and stuck an outboard on the back and spent a lot of money doing her up.Then there was the macwester22footer I nearly bought and a Snapdragon 22 in Coruna,little oats get about

 

[kolyo]

Just out of curiosity, is this Fisher 25 a true "Fisher"? I couldn't find enough information'.
Sailboat Fisher 25 Freeward in Wittmund - Carolinensiel | Sailboats for sale | eBay Classifieds (ebay-kleinanzeigen.de)

And what about this one as an option:
Sport boat "Triton", GRP, type Spitzgatter, type IP 24 in Burglesum - Burg-Grambke | Sailboats for sale | eBay Classifieds (ebay-kleinanzeigen.de)

 

[Wansworth]

Just out of curiosity, is this Fisher 25 a true "Fisher"? I couldn't find enough information'.
Sailboat Fisher 25 Freeward in Wittmund - Carolinensiel | Sailboats for sale | eBay Classifieds (ebay-kleinanzeigen.de)

And what about this one as an option:
Sport boat "Triton", GRP, type Spitzgatter, type IP 24 in Burglesum - Burg-Grambke | Sailboats for sale | eBay Classifieds (ebay-kleinanzeigen.de)

Yes that’s a true fisher

 

[MisterBaxter]

There's an interesting comparison between modern junk rig and Bermudan rig in this article comparing two Van de Stadt Sprinters, one with each rig:
Bermudan rig vs Junk rig - Practical Boat Owner
The junk rig is faster on a broad reach and a run until the other boat gets the spinnaker up. Setting, lowering and reefing sail are all much easier with the junk. The Bermudan rig is faster from a beat down to a broad reach.
Modern junk rig seems to me to be ideal for short handed cruising, especially trade wind sailing but also unhurried all weather coastal cruising. Someone once told me that if you want to sail as many miles per hour as possible, Bermudan is best; if you want to sail as many miles per year as possible, junk might be better...

 

[kolyo]

Modern junk rig seems to me to be ideal for short handed cruising, especially trade wind sailing but also unhurried all weather coastal cruising. Someone once told me that if you want to sail as many miles per hour as possible, Bermudan is best; if you want to sail as many miles per year as possible, junk might be better...

If this were true a junk rigged boat is definitely the best choice for my intended use. Considering my lack of sailing experience, advanced age and last but not least safety due to the easy and quick reefing in case of the odd unpredictable by a forecast squall!!


Could someone please explain in layman's terms the meaning of the bellow excerpt from the article since the "feel" of any given boat is of utmost importance to me.

Sailing the two boats revealed an enormous difference in feel. With a Bermudan rig, the power reduces as the wind angle increases (until you hoist the spinnaker), the ratios depending on the strength of the wind and the speed and nature of the boat. Broadly speaking, with a displacement monohull it drops away notably as you approach a beam reach in light conditions or a broad reach in more breeze. With a junk it’s the opposite: the power increases as you bear away. When you jump straight from one boat to the other, this difference is striking.

 

[MisterBaxter]

I guess primarily that the boat has more power on different points of sail. In power boat terms, it's going to feel like opening the throttle as you bear away with the junk rig; as you luff up with the Bermudan.

 

[James_Calvert]

Before kolyo gets too excited about a Fisher 25, I've heard from a previous owner they do roll a lot in the wrong conditions.

Perhaps someone here can provide a balanced viewpoint?

 

[Boathook]

Before kolyo gets too excited about a Fisher 25, I've heard from a previous owner they do roll a lot in the wrong conditions.

Perhaps someone here can provide a balanced viewpoint?

Any boat can roll in the wrong conditions. My cat does!

 

[westernman]

Any boat can roll in the wrong conditions. My cat does!

I have rolled and capsized the cat I used to have in every direction except bow over stern. I have done stern over bow and side over side and everything in between.
And that is not in what could be called the wrong conditions.

It was one of these:-



It can heel as well!!

 

[kolyo]

Any boat can roll in the wrong conditions. My cat does!

My wife rolls (over) in the wrong conditions as well!

 

[Wansworth]

That’s what lee cloths are for

 

[kolyo]

I have rolled and capsized the cat I used to have in every direction except bow over stern. I have done stern over bow and side over side and everything in between.
And that is not in what could be called the wrong conditions.

It was one of these:-

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It can heel as well!!

Would an erection be of any help in such conditions??? I mean if you are single-handed.

 

[Wansworth]

Would an erection be of any help in such conditions??? I mean if you are single-handed.

?

 

[kolyo]

?

Perhaps not since cats always land the right way up due to their righting reflex.

 

[Wansworth]

Perhaps not since cats always land the right way up due to their righting reflex.

This is a family forum…?

 

[kolyo]

This is a family forum…?

Another wife dominated forum you mean