Moody

[Moose]

I have heard that Moodys' are particualy prone to Osmosis. Any views on this? I am looking at a 1997 Moody 44.

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[Fill]

Don't know about the later ones but we bought a 1986 Moody 31 in 1998 and she was reported as very dry on our survey and when we sold her 4 years later the survey done then reported very dry. We see her from time to time and she's still going strong.

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[Cotillion]

I wouldn't worry about it. How many boats have sunk due to osmosis?

kim

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[Wiggo]

Why, have you just t-boned it in Toscana, or something?

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[tcm]

i know of of no such issues. Moody's are made by marine projects, same gang make Princess, fairly modern boat should have no problems. Perhaps Moody owners are more likely to fret about osmosis, attracted by the Meldrewesque name?



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[gtmoore]

Our 1981 Moody had some blistering when we bought her but I don't think it's necessarily a common problem or with Moodys in particular - probably more to do with the boat building techniques and materials around at the time. I heard once that Marine Projects changed to a different kind of resin sometime around the mid-late 80s (as did other builders perhaps?) and this improved matters quite a bit, and I would imagine that in such a recent boat as you describe it would be pretty much unheard of.


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[marklongstaff]

We bought a 1990 Moody 376 in 1999 which the survey reported was dry and well below limits - Surveyor know of no specific problems with Moodys

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[rwoofer]

I have a Moody 44 built in 93, commissioned 94, which I bought last year. The surveyors comment (Tony Statten-Bevan who is an osmosis expert) said that the boat was very dry. He even commented that he wouldn't bother with a preventative epoxy coat.

PM me if you would like to know any more about the boat.

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[PeteMcK]

I can't imagine any make of '97 boat having osmosis - the resins used since the early '80s more or less preclude it.

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[Robin]

And Tony is rumoured to be able to find osmosis in steel yachts! Just joking, he did the survey for us too on our Jeanneau, very thorough guy, great to have if you are the buyer! /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

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[Becky]

I have owned two Moodys this year, the one I have just sold, made in 1983, and the one we have just bought made in 1986/7. Both have osmosis, and our new one is being done right now. Admittedly we wouldn't have bothered yet except that we are planning to have the 10 year antifouling treatment (copperbot), and the hull would need peeling and epoxy-ing within that time. Our surveyor told us that osmosis was just starting on our M37, although the meter readings were all still in the green range. Having had the bottom sand-blasted, we could just see the beginning of blistering. Another thing our surveyor (Jim Pritchard) said was that if your boat hasn't got osmosis before its 21st birthday, it will soon after. But Moody's are pretty good on the whole, and after about 1988, they were built with isophalic resins that are more resistant. But you still see new yachts having preventative epoxy coating. I shouldn't worry about it. Just adjust the price accordingly. After all, it is the main way of reducing the purchase price of 2nd hand yachts!

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[AlexL]

Never heard that - i have a '95 Moody S31 and the surveyor commented that the hull was "Very Dry" - most resins used in the last decade or more have been much more resistant to this..

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[jhr]

<<most resins used in the last decade or more have been much more resistant to this.. >>

I think this is the crux of the matter. Moodies have been around for a long time and the earlier ones were built at a time when less was understood about GRP construction and osmosis. The same is true of, for example, Nicholsons. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with either range, just that there are examples around (and they mostly are still around) from many moons ago and they've developed osmosis. From this has developed the entirely spurious premise that Moodies and Nicholsons are particularly prone to osmosis when in fact they are just like other boats their age, albeit better built than many.

It shouldn't be a consideration with a yacht of the vintage that you (Moose) are looking at and I wouldn't waste too much time worrying about it, imho.



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[Moose]

Thanks everybody


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[jonjo]

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> How many boats have sunk due to osmosis?

That is such a tiersome remark.

The real issue is how people loose money due to osmosis?

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[BrendanS]

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Not really a tiresome remark, as not everyone has had the benefit of previous discussions, though it would be nice if people researched the wealth of information already posted here. Osmosis is not a disastrous event. It doesn't affect the structure of the boat (normally, before anyone jumps in with an example of a boat sinking) it's a cosmetic thing usually. It affects price because people dont' like blisters. If you read the posts from people in places like South Africa, it's regarded as pretty much normal to have osmotic blisters on an older boat, and no issues with it as a result... or maybe my memory is failing me?


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[Moose]

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"though it would be nice if people researched the wealth of information already posted here"
Brendan, I do know a fair bit about Osmosis (having looked at various boats that did have it!) I was just asking if Moody were particualy bad because that is what I have heard.

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[BrendanS]

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Oh don't you start getting all sensitive as well. comment was to Jonjo who was commenting about 'tiresome remarks'

Your question was specific, there have been many other threads about the 'boats don't sink due to osmosis' part of this thread. No problem with people bringing the question up, and if you read my response again, I actually said that it wasn't a tiresome response as people may not have read about it before.

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[Moose]

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Oh,,oops!
You in particular should know how sensitve Moose are,,,,what with all your Moose hunting/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

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[Cotillion]

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The people who promote osmosis as a problem are the ones who make the most money out of it.

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