Moody v Bavaria

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Suppose many would say no competition. However after spending most of the last few months looking for a good Moody 31 at a non-extortionate price, I am now looking at a Bavaria of a similar size. Advantages - don't have knackered 20 year old engine, all very good quality bits and about 15 years newer for the same price. Seems like no competition, or is it?
 
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suppose this should have been on scuttlebut, never mind bet it will have the same effect!

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Why ?

OP has a good point ... but I'll still take the Moody. It's depreciation will be a slower gradient ...
 
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but is the bav finished in timber or veneered cardboard? will it look as good in 15 yrs time, and will the keel still be attached next week?

[/ QUOTE ] Well, that's all the myths and old wives tales covered - and in one brief sentence.

Now, back to the informed opinion...
 
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I have tried 5 times to answer the OP, but had to delete each one before posting. I cant find the right words to say I am gobsmacked that he is trying to compare them. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Yeah, he could have a nealy new boat and he's looking at some 20 year old grotty thing!
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Yeah, he could have a nealy new boat and he's looking at some 20 year old grotty thing!

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Yup nice shiny, sparkly things allways attract, some people though see through the shine and look for deeper lustre of true quality
 
Having owned old boats all my sailing life equals constant work, and hand in pocket trying to keep the thing both habitable and seaworthy. ie manky wiring, engine, sails, rigging, instruments, headlining ...................

Most modern boats sail pretty well now and I would give anything to get one that would be reasonably trouble free for 5 years. Sure, the Moody is probably best put together, but I would go for the newer boat .

Don't forget the economies of scale in the Bavaria's.

I am not surprised that many Bavaria owners are not newbies but older hands who
just want to go sailing.
 
Think you need to do your sums again, I would say your 20 year old moody 31 would be about £35K you mention a Bavaria 15 years younger so you are looking at one 5 years old. I'm pretty certain you will not find a Bavaria 31 that is 5 years old for £35K If you could I think that's what I would be looking for.

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For what it's worth I've sailed on a Moody 31 and bought a Bavaria 34.

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Spyro, good point you make, £35000 for a Moody 31 is very possible but you still end up with that Penta 2003 engine which is fine if it's been nurtured and loved for 20 years, sadly most (in my experience) haven't, even if the owners say so!
I know you won't get a Bavaria 30 or 31 for that price but actually not vast amounts more?
 
Re: Moody v Beneteau

Have a look at a Beneteau but dont show SWMBO the heads its fatal ... Proud owner of a new beneteau 323 ... /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
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Suppose many would say no competition. However after spending most of the last few months looking for a good Moody 31 at a non-extortionate price, I am now looking at a Bavaria of a similar size. Advantages - don't have knackered 20 year old engine, all very good quality bits and about 15 years newer for the same price. Seems like no competition, or is it?

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Despite the credit crunch, I am a strong believer that you can't fool the market! (but it can be manipulated!).

By that I mean that once a product is established and known, then a second hand price emerges in the market that is a good indication of value.

For example my daughter found that for her budget she could buy a second hand 3 year old Honda Civic or a brand new discounted Fiat Punto. The market valued them the same which I took to be a judgement on the extra longevity and quality of the Honda. She chose the Honda - and surprise, surprise had three years completely trouble free motoring before selling it -again at a good price. (Which raises the issue of TCO -total cost of ownership)

Faced with a similar choice to your own 2 years ago, I opted for a Moody, rather than a newer lower cost brand. I can't say anything negative about the other boats we considered, I was quite impressed. In fact if our preoccupation was to entertain in a large cockpit or only sail in light/medium airs then they would have been a better choice.

We were looking for different qualities, a decent master cabin (that comes with a cente cockpit), interior fittings that could stand daily use, the sea kindliness that comes with weight, and the peace of mind that comes with good solid chain plates bolted on, 10mm rigging - oh and decent sized stem fitting and bow rollers that will hold us in a blow. All this comes at a price of course, we are by no means the fastest round the buoys in light airs, and our cockpit isn't the biggest./forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

We have not been disappointed with our choice, in fact we love the boat. But then so do many of the Bav owners we have met.

The bottom line is that you should decide what is important to you and then buy accordingly. The really great thing about this hobby of ours is that we each skipper our own boat in our own way - and live with the consequences (hopefully) /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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