Moody 28 Resurrection - starting at the deep end Arrow & Aztec

[Blueboatman]

Great stuff
Look what you have learnt, achieved and gained for use.
Real PBO enthusiasm and ‘ can do’...

Wishing you many happy days sailing the Glamour Twins

 

[Hoist]

Thanks everybody for your extremely kind words. It really is appreciated.

With Arrow painted we are close to having aztec fully prepped ready for paint.



I'm waiting on some materials but the process will be roughly the same apart from a few lessons learned from painting Arrow.

I will detail all of this as we go along.

Sadly I do not think I will sail on Arrow much and she will probably be sold to a new "caretaker". I already have a beautiful 336 that we have owned for 6 years and this really was a boat bought on a whim!

Its just satisfying to know that these boats are not going to deteriorate worse or end up on the scrapheap!

One little project Ill be tackling this week is the tufnol rudder stops. It involves 3d printing!



Iam literally packing up to collect a furler by sea today so the adventure continues!

 

[gandy]

Great story. We chartered one of these (Aztec from memory) in 2005. My first time even aboard a sailing cruiser.

 

[awol]

All that just to be allowed to join the Class 8 party in Tobermory!

 

[penfold]

3D printed rudder stops is going to really test the material; which polymer are you using?

 

[CAPTAIN FANTASTIC]

Very good presentation and nice to see the restoration progress of the two Moodys. The Moodys 28, 29, 30, 31 represent excellent value to money.

 

[Hoist]

3D printed rudder stops is going to really test the material; which polymer are you using?

Test fit will be done with PLA but I plan to use ABS on a 50% fill.

Worst comes to the worst I can try and get some tufnol and use the PLA one as a drilling guide for the holes but it would be nice to print them at home.

I've heard mixed things about 3d prints in salt water. PLA is biodegradeable (corn based plastic??) which sounds nice but I think it will turn to mush

Going to research it more anyway before I commit. Surveyor might have something to say about it also which is a consideration not to be taken lightly.

@gandy

Thank you for your picture. It's very exciting for us to see them and I am pretty sure that could be Aztec as it has the little air scoop above the galley. Arrow doesn't have that.

We know there was also an Amber which would be fun to find as one of the cushions in Arrow is marked Amber.

I also have this picture from 1997. I spotted it on a facebook group and couldn't believe it when I saw that it was Arrow.

Since been in contact with the gentleman and he told me all about his adventure

 

[penfold]

Commercial 3D printing services offer some more exotic materials now, nylon might be good enough; I did read about glass-filled nylon existing but I've not seen it offered commercially yet, that would easily match the performance of tufnol.

 

[Ribtecer]

Great story. We chartered one of these (Aztec from memory) in 2005. My first time even aboard a sailing cruiser.

One of the photos of your boats in the shed shows a bent pushpit rail, this photo shows the same damage. That should help identify it?

 

[john_morris_uk]

3D printed rudder stops is going to really test the material; which polymer are you using?

I agree. Tufnol or other suitable materials are easy to source and machine. Why go for an exotic solution when a basic milling machine and drill press will do the job quickly and easily?

Tufnol Sheet | Direct Plastics Limited

 

[prof pat pending]

Commercial 3D printing services offer some more exotic materials now, nylon might be good enough; I did read about glass-filled nylon existing but I've not seen it offered commercially yet, that would easily match the performance of tufnol.

Glass filled Nylon is more for Selective Laser Sintering rather than a filament based printer, it’s pretty good, but the glass can act as a defect if you’re not paying attention.

Carbon Fibre filled would probably be the way to go. If you orientate the part so the fibre lays in the direction that takes the load, it can be the proverbial brick out house. Probably not one for the hobby printer, but I’ve not looked

 

[Hoist]

points noted on the 3D printing. I'll still print one just for fun but I had thought that tufnol was no longer produced

glad to be proven wrong!

thats a great link and handy website John thanks for that

 

[prof pat pending]

Carbon Fibre filled would probably be the way to go. If you orientate the part so the fibre lays in the direction that takes the load, it can be the proverbial brick out house. Probably not one for the hobby printer, but I’ve not looked

some info on printing with carbon fibre

Intro to Continuous Fiber 3D Printing - 3D Printing

 

[Hoist]

Progress has been slow this month with our other boat taking up so much time as it was re-engined. I thought that process would take a couple of days. Instead it took nearly 10 days. So much for a simple swap! Aztec has never been too far behind. We have worked on the boats in tandem for the most part. Having been away working Tom has put the real hours in and got Aztec prepped for paint



The large dirty parts are the west systems microballoons filler with epoxy. You really learn to put that on sparingly as it's hard as hell. This one done on the parts that needed just more bulk. I don't find it as easy to sand, however if you closed your eyes and ran your hand over it you would never be able to tell where it started and stopped. great product



Next step was to build the tent on top of Aztec. This isn't easy but its essential for dust management when sanding and also keeping stuff out like birds or insects. Even though we are inside there is a few resident pigeons that could cause chaos with the paint. An important tip I learned from a car painter is to put your hoover outside the tent while sanding- that stops you breathing the dust thats' blown around and also makes for a cleaner environment



Of all the stages I have found the interprotect the worst. Its needed to seal the filler from the perfection pro undercoat. a barrier coat for chemical reasons. The hard part with interprotecting the topsides is that its just so patchy. Even the expensive German rollers cant stand it and it takes around 4-5 of them for 1 coat. Its also soul destroying to see all that nice white surface become so patchy but after 2 coats this is sanded back with 400 on the machine. If you do it too early it will gum up the pads so you have to be patient with this stuff. We found the drying times wayyyy off in the cold weather. Luckily with our covid delay we are doing this boat in 18 degrees without the heaters on.

before after

Arrow also has received a little love. Dave has been sanding back the grab rail on arrow and even I was super surprised how it came out! Just a little 120 on the flex sander does the trick. Stand by for more updates!

 

[yotter]

Do you feel a log submission to the CCC, yet another pot for you to polish

 

[Hoist]

2nd round of interprotect completed on Aztec and I'm glad I don't have to smell that stuff anymore! Certainly it was a bit easier to go on during the "hot" weather but it smells worse and inside the tent it can really fume you out even with masks etc



As I mentioned before this coat is the sealer. Two things I've learned from all of this. Buy good masking tape and don't leave it on! Makes it far easier to come off. Within a couple of hours the tent was up to 20-21 degrees with us working in there and I was able to comfortably peel off the masking tape after 4 hours


It's not pretty to do but absolutely essential to keep the boat's looking good and give the paint the correct base for the years ahead. Next step is to leave it a good while to dry and then sand with 200-220 for the perfection pro undercoat.



After 10 days of curing Arrow just continues to get shinier! Sadly I ran out of time to get her out of the shed but I'm really looking forward to getting her outside for the first time since September last year and plop her mast on with the new rigging.

 

[davidpbo]

Great post. Well done. We are considering buying something around that size if we carry on sailing.

 

[Hoist]

Dave sent me some photos of the boat finally outside which is the first time since September last year



We are still considering stripes on the hull and coach roof. Its all a matter of personal preference. I prefer early 90s Moody's with the single navy line but we will see whats available. I've seen a few websites advertising reproduction vinyl decals which is nice for originality but I think we might try something fresher looking.

Arrow will be on the market soon as we can't keep them all. If interested please send me a private message

 

[Hoist]

Well after 7 weeks offshore I have finally made it back ashore!

This dry land thing is wierd but at least I will continue to work on boats.

Arrow has now got a basic vinyl boot stripe and a name on the back.

At least the boatyard can identify them now!

 

[penfold]

Nice work, but that era of Moody really do need the go-faster stripes by the gunwhale to avoid looking slab-sided.