Searush
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You can tell him anything you like, but he will decide what is worth taking note of.
Isn't that how communication is supposed to work, or are you of the Putinesque mould where your dictats must be obeyed by all lesser mortals?
Lord Montague's River
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You can tell him anything you like, but he will decide what is worth taking note of.
Isn't that how communication is supposed to work, or are you of the Putinesque mould where your dictats must be obeyed by all lesser mortals?
TiggerToo
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I have finally had the time to watch the video. Honestly, I don't understand what all the fuss is about. Perfectly sensible commentary....
dylanwinter
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there are times when the forum takes me completely by surprise. As a hack I have been writing for three decades, millions of words. You fire them off and almost nothing comes back. The web is amazing in that you get almost instant feedback.
Kick off a thread about something that you think is really interesting and useful - such as using a baby stay sail to steer a boat - and it sinks like a stone.
Then mention that you think a river has too many boats/pontoons on it and the thread rumbles on for page after page - some posts getting fairly vituperative. However, I think it is great that people take the time to watch the film and then express their opinions.
You tube is amazing in that it tells you not only who is watching and where they live - down to the detail of each American state - it also tells you when they quit watching.
But this place is even better.
wonderful stuff - thanks chaps
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Sandgrounder
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Thanks Dylan,
I enjoyed the film. My take, on the issues causing controversy, is similar, albeit not identical, to yours. Even if I disagreed completely with your expressed views I would rather hear them than not.
Keep it up.
I enjoyed the film. My take, on the issues causing controversy, is similar, albeit not identical, to yours. Even if I disagreed completely with your expressed views I would rather hear them than not.
Keep it up.
Seven Spades
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I was disappointed by this video, not necessarily by the comments but by the way you made the comments. At the very beginning you made a comment about jettys owned by RICH people with the emphasis very much on the word RICH. You have done this in your other videos and it grates. You come over as having a very large chip on your shoulder. Rich people are very much like poor people, some are very nice and polite and altruistic and other are not, yet you seem to demonise RICH people. I personally would love to own a jetty at the end of my garden and I would not take kindly to arriving back from a sail to find one or more boats rafted up to my jetty.
You have a valid point about whether private jetties should be allowed to turn a river into a boat park. In this instance I don't agree with you, I don't see the Beaulieu as being over developed just compare it to the other areas around here. I never go to Newtown in the summer it is impossible. If we remove all the moorings from the Beaulieu it would reduce the access so fewer people would enjoy it, the river is enjoyed by many people the way it is.
If you remove that chip from your shoulder you will still be able to make your point but without what sounds like a lesson in communism.
You have a valid point about whether private jetties should be allowed to turn a river into a boat park. In this instance I don't agree with you, I don't see the Beaulieu as being over developed just compare it to the other areas around here. I never go to Newtown in the summer it is impossible. If we remove all the moorings from the Beaulieu it would reduce the access so fewer people would enjoy it, the river is enjoyed by many people the way it is.
If you remove that chip from your shoulder you will still be able to make your point but without what sounds like a lesson in communism.
Blackfeather
Active member
KTL has it all...
Cynicism
Sneering
Envy
Prejudice
The list is endless..
Cynicism
Sneering
Envy
Prejudice
The list is endless..
dylanwinter
Active member
nicely balanced comment
great use of light and shade in your an analysis I thought
great use of light and shade in your an analysis I thought
Nicholas123
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I have always been lead to believe that one of our inherent rights as Englishmen was that we could travel anywhere below the high water mark & that the sea bottom was owned by no one so how come 'Lord'Montague gets to own a whole river & operate it like a theme park?
Dylan you need to campaign for a cull of the human race in order to protect our wonderful natural places.Some of those rich peoples jetties are indeed abominations.......& the walls of rocks around that property in your video about Ichenor.
Taste seems to be sadly lacking in oh so many respects
Dylan you need to campaign for a cull of the human race in order to protect our wonderful natural places.Some of those rich peoples jetties are indeed abominations.......& the walls of rocks around that property in your video about Ichenor.
Taste seems to be sadly lacking in oh so many respects
jac
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I have always been lead to believe that one of our inherent rights as Englishmen was that we could travel anywhere below the high water mark & that the sea bottom was owned by no one so how come 'Lord'Montague gets to own a whole river & operate it like a theme park?
Dylan you need to campaign for a cull of the human race in order to protect our wonderful natural places.Some of those rich peoples jetties are indeed abominations.......& the walls of rocks around that property in your video about Ichenor.
Taste seems to be sadly lacking in oh so many respects
IIRC Beaulieau river is an anomaly. Post Norman conquest, ownership of the seabed, minerals etc (I.e.the crown estate) became the Monarchs. For some reason Beaulieau river was given to an abbey. When the abbeys we're dissolved their assets were past to suitable nobles / the king. Monty's ancestor got the river and it stayed in the family.
And the comment re rich people Jettys seems very communist. Why no comment about poor people cluttering up the place with beaten up cars, run down boats, stone clad houses.
Pick on poor taste , poor design by all means but if you wouldn't make the comment based on the owners sex, colour or sexual orientation why can you make it based on the number of zeros in his bank balance.
(And sadly all my zeros are in my bank balance)
Greenheart
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It also indicates how appallingly ill-educated, illiterate, irreversibly ignorant and wilfully intolerant a huge number of viewers are...a minute's scan through the comments shows that.
Nobody is compelled to watch Dylan's videos. He can take this thread as evidence of his popularity, as many people have watched, even if a notable proportion voice disagreement...
...and of those who disagree, I'll bet none, absolutely not one, would wish video-makers like Dylan to edit out all aspects which might show a controversial point of view.
A nice thing I think about the English, is often the enduring, slightly sniffy but unemotional tolerance of almost anything we don't regard as quite right or normal. A sort of diplomatic loftiness which definitely disapproves sweepingly of all abominable taste and behaviour, but accepts regretfully that exponents have the right to exhibit it. Noblesse oblige.
One of the daftest habits on popular open fora, seems to me to be the habit of saying "I find this offensive", or couching every disagreement with the phrase "in my personal opinion"...
...if offence is taken it needs articulating with reasons, not just stating, as if that carried weight. And why do people say IMHO? Isn't it obvious it's only their view? They said it.
prv
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That's an inherent feature of Youtube. I suppose if you're marginally literate, it's one of the more attractive places to you on the Web, so the standard of commentary there is notoriously low:
A possible solution:
(In response to this, Youtube actually implemented a "read aloud" button at one point. I don't know if it's still there.)
Pete
Greenheart
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It would have to have mastered languages that aren't even recognised by the UN. Weird to think that American English, as expressed by countless Youtube viewers, is apparently pronounced with half the tongue missing. Or half the brain.
I love the Louis Armstrong reference. ♫ "We have all...the time...on the moon..." ♪
Nicholas123
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The comment about the rich persons jetty as far as I could see was because it was an isore out of context with the natural environment.As with that heap of rocks stacked up against the embankment round that house in Dylans Ichenor film.
In most domestic situations you have to get planning permission.I can't help wondering who gave permission for those abominations to go ahead!
It occurs to me that in historic buildings you ar'nt even allowed to have plastic double glazing units in period cottages so I have heard & I have heard of instances where owners have been put through hell by "Natural England."
They must have been asleep when those monstrosities were erected.:disgust:
PS:Might not have been Natural England but The National Trust,some worthy body.
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Seajet
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The workers at Disneyland were threatened with the sack for calling it ' Mouseschwitz ' so took to calling it ' Duckeau ' - I wonder what the minions of Monty ( aka Montgomery Burns ) call it ?!
jordanbasset
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Thank you, enjoyed that, lovely video
greggron
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Beaulieau is just a feudal time capsule. If you know and are content with your place in the pecking order, no problem. If you think the world has moved on...
Nicholas123
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Spot on.
dylanwinter
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alahol2
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My wife, on seeing a video taken in Dylan's garden, said "Gosh, he must be rich". Just saying like.
dylanwinter
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did she see the car or the slug though
I agree, we are sailors, we are all rich
I do think I probably screw more miles per pound out of my sailing than a lot of the people on this forum
D
I agree, we are sailors, we are all rich
I do think I probably screw more miles per pound out of my sailing than a lot of the people on this forum
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