Lord Montague's River

[alant]

So I thought you were interested in local history

Langstone isn't "local".

 

[wully1]

A great video spoiled by the commentary.

A great video- yes.

Spoiled by the commentary? No.

Dylan makes his wonderful films to document HIS journey. I find his commentary very refreshingly honest.
He tells it as he sees it which today is a welcome change to the blandness pumped out by the mainstream media.

 

[jhr]

At the top of the Monty river there were several small wharves which have almost certainly been in use for centurioes and maybe even millennia.

Probably originally used by the monks at the Abbey. Certainly centuries and almost a millennium. There is an old, abandoned brick kiln at Bailey's Hard which is also worth a look. It could be used to roast Lord M. when the revolution comes

PS: I think that most of the houses on the river were built on land leased out in the 1930s, when Monty was just a boy. Whilst he may be guilty of allowing subsequent neo-classical pillar-related vandalism, it would be going it a bit for him to have launched a career of architectural philistinism while he was at school, even though he inherited everything at the age of 2, when his dad died. Also, I think he passed ownership of everything to his son many years ago, to avoid inheritance tax, so maybe it's all the Hon. Ralph's fault?

 

[alant]

Probably originally used by the monks at the Abbey. Certainly centuries and almost a millennium. There is an old, abandoned brick kiln at Bailey's Hard which is also worth a look. It could be used to roast Lord M. when the revolution comes

PS: I think that most of the houses on the river were built on land leased out in the 1930s, when Monty was just a boy. Whilst he may be guilty of allowing subsequent neo-classical pillar-related vandalism, it would be going it a bit for him to have launched a career of architectural philistinism while he was at school, even though he inherited everything at the age of 2, when his dad died. Also, I think he passed ownership of everything to his son many years ago, to avoid inheritance tax, so maybe it's all the Hon. Ralph's fault?

In spite of DoM's constant accusations of 'leftist views', I am extremely happy, for this estate to pass onto future generations intact, for all of us to continue to enjoy. As I stated earlier, I'm convinced, that without this stewardship, the Beaulieu River & adjoining land, would probably be wharfs & industrial units by now. As it is, my Grandchildren will be able to sail in this beautiful river.

 

[l'escargot]

Just a point of order m'lud but the Langstone Mulberry was actually built in the area surrounding the Ferry Boat Inn on the Hayling side of the harbour entrance. On floating off it developed a fatal crack and was abandoned on the adjacent sandbank where it sits to this day.

Bit about it here: http://www.hayling.co.uk/guides/historic/mulberryharbour.php

 

[l'escargot]

Dylan,

for a bit of history there's a bollard driven in on the beach just West of Yarmouth IOW which was used to haul a battleship upright after colliding with a liner in Victorian times; amazingly it seems the liner came off best !

Sorry I forget the names of the ships involved but I'm sure someone like L'escargot will oblige; sadly there were quite a few lives lost.

Sounds like HMS Gladiator and SS St Paul. The Gladiator did capsize and was subsequently righted and salvaged. There is a large isolated bollard at the end of the sea wall to the east of Sconce point.

 

[jhr]

In spite of DoM's constant accusations of 'leftist views', I am extremely happy, for this estate to pass onto future generations intact, for all of us to continue to enjoy. As I stated earlier, I'm convinced, that without this stewardship, the Beaulieu River & adjoining land, would probably be wharfs & industrial units by now. As it is, my Grandchildren will be able to sail in this beautiful river.

I agree although, ironically, the Brickworks and Shipyards on the river were the industrial units of their day....

 

[Nicholas123]

I agree we tend not to film our own areas, but that's because we largely take them for granted;

On the contrary.I film my own adventures but that is for my own personal enjoyment & I would'nt consider posting them on the internet for fear of attracting more visitors to them,they are quite spoilt enough already thank you very much!

 

[dylanwinter]

I was walking the dog this morning

had an ipiphany in the bluebell wood

and it ocurred to me that some people get upset when I come to their areas and say one or two negative things about their otherwise lovely sailing places


others seem to get upset when I come to their areas and say nice things because too many people will go there

there is a common denominator here...

time to stop I guess

D

 

[PatrickB02]

time to stop I guess

Don't do that Dylan - your videos are brilliant, keep them coming.

 

[mainsail1]

No it's not time to stop. I have looked at your Beaulieu river film again and it is lovely. We all dislike the things that you mention in the film but they are all a fact of life these days and I guess what I was trying to say was that it doesn't help to be reminded of them too often as we can do nothing about it. I am prepared to forgo my comments earlier which I think were abrasive and were best left unsaid like most comments of a similar ilk. Sorry for the flak, it was meant in a friendly way but did not come out like that. Next video with comments, please!

 

[Fantasie 19]

Bit about it here: http://www.hayling.co.uk/guides/historic/mulberryharbour.php

...trying to remember what the graffiti is/was on the side of the mulberry.... "if wa*king was intelligence, the fisheries would be Einstein" or some such - clearly a fisherman with a grudge...

 

[dylanwinter]

Don't do that Dylan - your videos are brilliant, keep them coming.

okay then

d

 

[Fantasie 19]

okay then

d

...you're such a tart....

 

[Blueboatman]

Play hard to get, they respect you more after... Allegedly

 

[dylanwinter]

been a hack for four decades now

I am with oscar

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/o/oscarwilde128481.html

as for criticism - all valuable stuff

but I am also with ducks

 

[chinita]

Give over Dylan, we know you don't like 'em but it's getting tedious now with the constant pan to mobo. adopt sarcy voice "nice boat" pause, pan to mobo. adopt sarcy voice "nice boat" pause, pan to mobo. adopt sarcy voice "nice boat"!

The comment I liked was about the poor guy who had the temerity to display his baseball caps - written off as 'eccentric' - said in a rather sneering way and certainly without the slightest hint of irony.

'Eccentric' - this from a guy who uses flowerpots and tea candles for heating!

I bought the first two DVDs and thoroughly enjoyed them. He won't like me saying this because he thinks I 'hate' him but, IMO, he is in danger of becoming a parody of himself.

But now he will come back and say that he does not care what I think because, as I have learned, you can tell Dylan, but you can't tell him much.

 

[EuanMcKenzie]

I too enjoyed the video and it just reminded me how fortunate we are up here that the areas we think are quite developed are hardly touched at all by southern standards

How fortunate we are

I enjoy Dylan's comments for various reasons. They are political but they are not party political. There is a difference and we all seem have fallen into a rut of having to align our views unilaterally in a certain direction rather than just having an opinion on something for a particular and probably reasonable reason.

If you own an estate you and your family are a custodian of that land and you have a responsibility for that land and what you do with it. People who do it well are good people in my view.

I think Dylan's hatred of big gin palaces is largely driven by their carbon footprint rather than the fact he can't afford one. His estate in the east looks reasonably substantial after all - nice looking house anyway!

So the bit i find refreshing is the fact he has views and expresses them. Please carry on I'm enjoying the films for one.

 

[Fantasie 19]

You'd still have been approached by guards with machine guns out to collect the fee ( Monty can afford hover-boards ).

In Langstone bear in mind there's a waterski area so best avoided at weekends - unless you bring your own sniper rifle - not much history or anything else I'm afraid.

The rectangular rafts about 1/4 of a mile North of the entrance were originally 3 Admiralty ' Paint Stagings ', they had a lot of steel plates with various paints which were lowered into the water to see how they got on.

Nowadays there's just one raft in regular use - or at least maintained - which is run by Portsmouth Uni' Marine metallurgy Unit.

These things - and a lot of other stuff - are unlit, I wouldn't fancy Langstone at night unless there was no alternative.


The conspicuous white building on the Western side was used by the Admiralty in WWII, seems a daft choice and a good target; the tradtion continues however as it's now a Harvester.

As one enters the main Channel goes gently to starboard, while the left goes on to Tudor SC, the sewage outfall and the recycling plant; a coaster visits frequently bringing stuff for the plant, which I understand is quite modern and ' green '.

There are the islands of mud & wildlife, north & South Binness islands, which should be of interest to you, Dylan.

Also known as ' Nookie Island ' as a quiet place to drop the hook !

At the top of the harbour, if one nips between the red & green marked pillars of the old turntable of the ' Hayling Billy railway line - about 60' apart - there's usually a spare half tide, + or - 2.5 hours for a Centaur - on mud mooring at Langstone SC ( open on Wednesday evenings & weekends 02393 484577 ).

The old oyster farm ' The Bund ' is off to the starboard side, just to the right at the end of the bridge - which also takes one onto the old Hayling Billy railway track, now a very good foot & cycle path the whole length of Hayling Island.

Langstone Harbour is quite badly marked even for locals, prepare for heavy reliance on GPS binoculars and guesswork !

..those islands in the middle of the harbour (which are now bird sanctuaries) were used in WWII as decoy sites to lure German air raids away from Portsmouth harbour (under code name "Starfish" and this [clicky], is a fairly interesting read) ... by all accounts they were very successful; "on the night of 17/18 April 1941, over 140 enemy aircraft were lured away and un-loaded in excess of 200 air-dropped munitions, originally intended for the City of Portsmouth, into Langstone Harbour and Farlington Marshes" - you wouldn't have wanted to live in Langstone village!

 

[Seajet]

Dylan,

I did say your films will be kept forever for posterior !

Or was that posterity...