Lord Montague's River

[dylanwinter]

I had expected my trip to Lord Montague's River to be the highlight of my Solent Sojourn

 

[Tam Lin]

SWMBO liked the music at the end, who was it?

 

[mainsail1]

Your dislike of the landed gentry, motor boats, rich people and what you consider as overdevelopment is not what I watch KTL for. I don't want to be reminded of all the unpleasant things that I can do nothing about. I get that from the BBC everyday and hate every minute of it! Sorry for the rant but you may be falling into a trap and I very much hope you do not loose what has made KTL so refreshing.

 

[parbuckle]

All yachties are rich ask anyone in media.

 

[dylanwinter]

Your dislike of the landed gentry, motor boats, rich people and what you consider as overdevelopment is not what I watch KTL for. I don't want to be reminded of all the unpleasant things that I can do nothing about. I get that from the BBC everyday and hate every minute of it! Sorry for the rant but you may be falling into a trap and I very much hope you do not loose what has made KTL so refreshing.

deepest apologies for having opinions on bad landowners who are poor custodians of the their inheritance

I have no worries about rich people as I am also a rich person and have access to not one but two yachts and can find £50 for a tank of petrol without worrying about it too much,

I do believe in a right to roam and to anchor (sorry about that)

Sorry also about preferring yachts that slide quietly and wakelessly through the environment over the triple decker energy hungry wake making twin engined 50 foot planing mobos.



here is a take on your river that is entirely comment free and maybe more to your taste



I do think that Monty has taken over a gem of a river and turned it into a linear boat park and allowed far too many gated private jetties with security cameras, faut pilaster tops, over-ornate ugly gates and keep off signs to be built on "his" riverbed.

Compare that to Newtown Creek on the other side which really is a gem of a place



Newtown, Christchurch, Bembridge are all lovely - Keyhaven is pretty good too. Chichester harbour wonderful. The car loving Monty dynasty appears to care not a tinkers cuss for a once beautiful river - it is merely a revenue source

The Beaulieu is no Butley

Dylan

 

[alant]

deepest apologies for having opinions on bad landowners who are poor custodians of the their inheritance

I have no worries about rich people as I am also a rich person and have access to not one but two yachts and can find £50 for a tank of petrol without worrying about it too much,

I do believe in a right to roam and to anchor (sorry about that)

Sorry also about preferring yachts that slide quietly and wakelessly through the environment over the triple decker energy hungry wake making twin engined 50 foot planing mobos.



here is a take on your river that is entirely comment free and maybe more to your taste



I do think that Monty has taken over a gem of a river and turned it into a linear boat park and allowed far too many gated private jetties with security cameras, faut pilaster tops, over-ornate ugly gates and keep off signs to be built on "his" riverbed.

Compare that to Newtown Creek on the other side which really is a gem of a place



Newtown, Christchurch, Bembridge are all lovely - Keyhaven is pretty good too. Chichester harbour wonderful. The car loving Monty dynasty appears to care not a tinkers cuss for a once beautiful river - it is merely a revenue source

The Beaulieu is no Butley

Dylan

However, if he & his ancestors hadn't acted as responsible custodians, that area would probably be a docks & container park.

 

[dylanwinter]

However, if he & his ancestors hadn't acted as responsible custodians, that area would probably be a docks & container park.

is that really true?

D

 

[johnphilip]

Fair enough I say

The peaceful morning you capture so well as you take the time to drift slowly with just one sail. I suspect many of us would have full sail if not the donkey as well and spoil such a picturesque trip. Sailing on the East coast I have only visited Beaulieu two or three times and love it and hate it for the same reasons as you. Anyway a little rant is needed to punctuate the on going mudbank shots. Thanks Dylan.-

 

[mainsail1]

That is your opinion but my thought would be that you should keep politics away from KTL. The refreshing thing about KTL is that it delights in the good things in Britain such as nature, beautiful rivers, coastline and the fun of sailing, along with all that goes with it. It also used to give interesting insights into the history of a place. It did all this in a non judgemental way. The Beaulieu river has big history but little of that came over in the film. You talked about a dock at one stage and said nothing of its fabulous world war two history, just moaned about 'keep out' notices. I am sorry if you are offended by these comments but perhaps its because I don't want you to stray from the formula that made KTL so popular.

deepest apologies for having opinions on bad landowners who are poor custodians of the their inheritance

I have no worries about rich people as I am also a rich person and have access to not one but two yachts and can find £50 for a tank of petrol without worrying about it too much,

I do believe in a right to roam and to anchor (sorry about that)

Sorry also about preferring yachts that slide quietly and wakelessly through the environment over the triple decker energy hungry wake making twin engined 50 foot planing mobos.



here is a take on your river that is entirely comment free and maybe more to your taste



I do think that Monty has taken over a gem of a river and turned it into a linear boat park and allowed far too many gated private jetties with security cameras, faut pilaster tops, over-ornate ugly gates and keep off signs to be built on "his" riverbed.

Compare that to Newtown Creek on the other side which really is a gem of a place



Newtown, Christchurch, Bembridge are all lovely - Keyhaven is pretty good too. Chichester harbour wonderful. The car loving Monty dynasty appears to care not a tinkers cuss for a once beautiful river - it is merely a revenue source

The Beaulieu is no Butley

Dylan

 

[mainsail1]

Dylan. You talk about 'linear boat parks'. If you feel that way the least you could do is not add to the problem with your boat! Glass houses and all that.

 

[dylanwinter]

That is your opinion but my thought would be that you should keep politics away from KTL. The refreshing thing about KTL is that it delights in the good things in Britain such as nature, beautiful rivers, coastline and the fun of sailing, along with all that goes with it. It also used to give interesting insights into the history of a place. It did all this in a non judgemental way. The Beaulieu river has big history but little of that came over in the film. You talked about a dock at one stage and said nothing of its fabulous world war two history, just moaned about 'keep out' notices. I am sorry if you are offended by these comments but perhaps its because I don't want you to stray from the formula that made KTL so popular.

sorry about that

what you watched was a quicky - just rough edited rushes

just my first impression

for free

more history, more wildlife, more geography, colour balancing, audio mixes will be in the downloads and DVDs

as for politics.... feel free to make your own assumption - but history and the environment is politics

the way the river looks is a reult of politics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baron_Montagu_of_Beaulieu

 

[bluey01]

Dylan

Don't worry, we locals get our own back by regularly picking up a buoy, eating pork pies, drinking in the views or cheap wine and slipping before any request for money made.

Re: the CCTV pontoon thing, we all just laugh at him and his ghastly house, who's the richer man, him or us peeing in a bucket whilst eating a kit kat? - actually probably him but just don't dwell on it

 

[Blueboatman]

Thing is-and no disrespect intended nor hot tips offered- but it takes months to get to know a place ( which is as oft the sum of its people)
To rush in, Hoover it all up onto film, blog-add a subjective commentary, flog it out as KTL enterprises for dylan , is a vignette.. ( your early one on Brighton was equally dismissive, perhaps even rightly so)
But, of course in the end, so what?
Did you take the dnghy in Newtown up to Shalfleet and beyond on the early morning flood?
Or the Yar( anchor off)
Or etc etc

Did you anchor in the lower river btw?

Monty got venueless Beaulieu boat jumble going and the first few were at the time a real treat and amicable swop shop of useful, fairly priced bits. I sailed to my first one too.. V different from slick boatshows at the time or so I thought.

I am coming over like a grump, which I resolutely refuse to become lol!

One thing does seem clear-you really seem to like the centaur. IMHO you would be mad to give it up after this trip!

 

[Nicholas123]

I had expected my trip to Lord Montague's River to be the highlight of my Solent Sojourn

A good honest down to earth film Dylan.I enjoyed it very much.

 

[JumbleDuck]

One thing does seem clear-you really seem to like the centaur. IMHO you would be mad to give it up after this trip!

I think someone should start a sweepstake on which boat Dylan sails south from Scotland. My money's definitely on the Centaur. I changed from a Katie L sized boat to a Harmony sized boat a few years ago, and the extra space and comparative luxury are very addictive.

 

[KINGFISHER 8]

I had expected my trip to Lord Montague's River to be the highlight of my Solent Sojourn

How disappointing ... better watched with the sound off.

 

[Racecruiser]

I like Dylan's subjective commentary even though I would not go quite as far as he has with Monty's river - empty jetties and foreshore with big FO signs grate with me too!

Loved the Chichester one too as I grew up sailing on the harbour.

 

[Blueboatman]

I think someone should start a sweepstake on which boat Dylan sails south from Scotland. My money's definitely on the Centaur. I changed from a Katie L sized boat to a Harmony sized boat a few years ago, and the extra space and comparative luxury are very addictive.

Yup. Didn't Berwick make a Pentland too?

Trick maybe is do what you can with what(ever) you have at the time?

You have a serious all weather/all comfort/extended time aboard at sea/holed up in a blow boat too now iirc which must be nice ( and extends the weather windows for sailing?)

I am not a total convert, but people do argue that bigger is , in the grand scale of things, cheaper ( ESP with Tohatsu back up lol)

 

[dylanwinter]

Thing is-and no disrespect intended nor hot tips offered- but it takes months to get to know a place ( which is as oft the sum of its people)
To rush in, Hoover it all up onto film, blog-add a subjective commentary, flog it out as KTL enterprises for dylan , is a vignette.. ( your early one on Brighton was equally dismissive, perhaps even rightly so)
But, of course in the end, so what?
Did you take the dnghy in Newtown up to Shalfleet and beyond on the early morning flood?
Or the Yar( anchor off)
Or etc etc

Did you anchor in the lower river btw?

Monty got venueless Beaulieu boat jumble going and the first few were at the time a real treat and amicable swop shop of useful, fairly priced bits. I sailed to my first one too.. V different from slick boatshows at the time or so I thought.

I am coming over like a grump, which I resolutely refuse to become lol!

One thing does seem clear-you really seem to like the centaur. IMHO you would be mad to give it up after this trip!

that is always a problem with a 20,000 mile lomng coastline

one lifetime is not enough and if locals can't be shagged to make films about thjeir own patch then that leaves a bit of gap for outsiders to fill

It is the first time I have been accused of being in too much of a hurry - which is good I think

The talking to the microphone was done at the time as I was sailing

once I have a chance to come back to the material I will do some shore-side filming and mess around the area with the duck punt and then nick some old black and white images from the web combined with some detailed research and I will also have paid a £250 license to use the google earth images

I think that the way a place looks/feels to an outsider is as valid - maybe more valid - than the way it looks/feels to a local

I love Oxford, but never go there on a hot day in mid-summer, Brightlingsea is a quiet peaceful place because I avoid it on bank holidays when the crazy Romford navy are assaulting the place

I did anchor in the lower part of the river by gull island as St Cunliffe suggested

lot of mobo traffic that day as I sat eating my lunch - so that colours things

I picked up a mooring at the top of Monty's river after having gone as far us as the Harmony 90 cm allowed me

and jolly nice it was too

although I was told that anchoring up there is not allowed because Monty owns the river bed and he does not liek to see boats cluttering up the bit of river he can see from one of his houses

I did not give Newtown enough time that is for sure

I had planned to make a series of films about the Solent in Winter - but the Centaur thing came along

maybe I will still do a winter in the Solent -

The solent deserves its reputaion as a wonderful place to sail with all sorts of nooks and crinnies to explore, a brilliant place to race with challenging tides and capricious winds. navigation is a joy - it is almost impossible to get lost

there is plenty of waterporn to look at and enjoy - and my goodness there are so many wonderful boats

but my blimey to an East Coaster who has spent the past three years above the Wash it is a bit of a shock

thanks for taking an interest though

sorry about the structure of KTL and the way it confuses some people

basically it is an unfolding story -

in three phases...

the first take is some stills and some words

the second take is the rushes and some on-site first impressions

the third take is the properly made films

it is a real narrative though - as it happens as opposed to the way it was dreamed up by the scriptwriter for three men, the dimblebug researcher or even Ade and his helicopter coast hopping.

it takes a while for one bloke to edit and produce four hours of DVD material a year - sorry about that - so the editing is done in thwe winter when I cannot sail - I would be sailing now but I am carless this week (four people two cars - I am the dad so I come last)

the real thought through story of the journey is in the DVDs which I assume will be around for a few years

the rest is just internet, kneekerk, wobbleshot, blather - for which I most sincerely apologise

as for the Centaur.... I do like it. She is britain's most popular boat for a good reason - years ahead of her time if you ask me

she is easy to sail, brilliant when the wind chips up, very comfortable for one or three people, she gives a wonderful sense of security and she is a well deserved English classic, put the word westerly in the title of a film and you get at least a third more hits on it - which is good for google turnover

but it is not the world's finest creek crawler so sneaking up on birds is much harder, I cannot drop the mast, it has an inboard, it is not as pretty as Katie L, full standing headroom is massively over-rated for the solo sailor, one ring and no sink is fine for one bloke, she is not trailerable and...... I still owe a shed load of money on her.

it is conceivable that I might find a way of hanging onto Harmony for a summer in the Islands especially if my family decide that they enjoyed 2014 going around the top to the point where they want to spend time in 2015 exploring the Islands

the good thing about a Centaur is that I can always buy another one once I have finished with Katie L

then I can do the well thing

D

PS - did I mention that I am probably an incurable inboard-o-phobe?

 

[Uricanejack]

Lord Montague's

I remember a rather rude rugby song, version of the 12 days of christmas feturing the Lord Montague.

I wonder if he is the same one, or his son, Its a while since I played rugby.