JollyRodgers
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Can you PM me more info if you are selling? Could be interested.
Looking for a new boat, but feeling stuck..
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Can you PM me more info if you are selling? Could be interested.
Tranona
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Don't get too worked up about the particular boat. Most boats of the size you are looking at will do the job you want. Your requirements are nothing unusual and are what those sort of boats are designed for. Of course their are variations - some are more heavily built, others faster or more roomy etc etc but the y are more capable than a novice (or even an experienced!) owner. As you have already found out, condition varies far more than variation in capability. The key thing is buy a boat that is ready to go with no major expenditure required, get sailing and find out what you like and don't like. This will prepare you for your next move - either giving up or buying a more expensive, bigger, faster, more luxurious (whatever you fancy) boat.
To help you in your search, have a look at the last couple of issues of PBO because there has been a series of articles reviewing the market for just the size and type of boat you are looking for. Does not cover every single model but well over 50 different boats described with a little bit about the character of each.
To help you in your search, have a look at the last couple of issues of PBO because there has been a series of articles reviewing the market for just the size and type of boat you are looking for. Does not cover every single model but well over 50 different boats described with a little bit about the character of each.
Seajet
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I don't know robertj or his boat, but I knew a very experienced Yachtmaster Instructor - Mike Dymond, ex-submariner and something to do with the RYA now I think - who survived the 1979 Fastnet in an Ohlsen 35, so can't be bad !
Slightly smaller sister of Claire Francis's ' Robertsons Golly, an Ohlsen 38.
Warning, 3 double aft cabins unlikely, seaworthiness very likely.
lpdsn
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Your ideal boat is only going to be ideal for you, so other people's recommendations only work as far as giving you examples to look at. Keep sailing as many different boats as you can and you'll build up a picture of the things on a boat you want, and the things you don't want, then you'll see one that has enough of the former and only a few of the latter to be satisfactory.
My other advice would be, don't buy one that needs TLC. It'll cost more than you think to do it up (it'll cost more than you think is more than you think). It's worth paying a bit more for one that has been really well looked after, and then it'll still cost you more than you think.
My other advice would be, don't buy one that needs TLC. It'll cost more than you think to do it up (it'll cost more than you think is more than you think). It's worth paying a bit more for one that has been really well looked after, and then it'll still cost you more than you think.
Twister_Ken
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New genoa for a 28 footer - from about £2K upwards, depending on spec.
doug748
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Sails are the easy things to fix and very rewarding for little work. A new sail perks up the look of a boat no end.
I have no doubt that you could spend two thousand pounds on a new genoa but I think the starting point would be about 8 or 9 hundred quid.
I have no doubt that you could spend two thousand pounds on a new genoa but I think the starting point would be about 8 or 9 hundred quid.
Grumpybear
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Agree. Three years ago I got a basic genoa with foam luff and a main from Crusader (no connection, just a very happy customer) for a 36' for £2200, made and delivered in three weeks in time for Easter. Still in good nick.
Scotty_Tradewind
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I'd definitely suggest you consider a Twister. Both Ken and I have owned them and I certainly had no regrets.
I prefer the all grp version, but if you are a keen DIYer, then some true bargains can be had if buying a 'wooden top'...
Years on after selling mine and I am still a member of the Association as its help to me was significant.
S.
V1701
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You're doing all the right things - spending time seeing lots of boats, doing your research, etc. Have you thought about living aboard?
JollyRodgers
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Thank you. I'm in no particular rush to get something. Not like I need it to travel to work on or anything..
I don't plan on living abroad this one because I have somewhere to live already and it would make my commute to the office exponentially longer. My second boat though, I would definitely like to live abroad. My plan/dream is to use my first boat as a learner and to get used to everything and fixing problems that will inevitably occur and basically learning as much as I can about all aspects of sailing and then when I have my second boat, sail around the Med with my girlfriend. Staying in one place until we get bored and then moving onto the next. Spain/Italy/France/Corsica/Sardinia/Italy/Malta/Greece/Croatia/Montenegro/Turkey - everywhere. Eating lots of nice sea food, spearfishing fresh fish for dinner, lots of diving and lots of nice wine
Will hook up satellite internet (I can currently get 30mbps for around £20PCM) and can then do work during the evenings, or down periods.I googled "fastnet" (I was unaware of it before hand) ... Damn! That looks intense! The Ohlsen 38 is a beaut of a boat too!
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Scotty_Tradewind
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They do look pretty and I believe fairly swift afoot.
see post 20 here http://www.sailnet.com/forums/boat-review-purchase-forum/38641-has-anyone-owned-ohlson-38-a-2.html
Not a lot of cockpit/lazerette locker space generally in counter stern boats.
From the one at our yard, they sure do look well put together.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=o...IPpGIusUePKguAM&ved=0CC8QsAQ&biw=1067&bih=704
Tylers built most of the early hulls as far as I know. http://sailboatdata.com/view_builder.asp?builder_id=174
Tylers have a good reputation. Twisters were moulded by them and it's very rare to see osmosis in a Twister.
Long fin, not too dissimilar to Contessa 32, with a small skeg before the rudder.
They don't have a fat belly which limits internal volume but who care with a boat of this sailing pedigree.
Many on the market for twice the OP's stated budget but this one was cheaper http://www.boatshop24.com/en/taylor-ohlson-38/Sailboat/52353#RG2Vp0zTUwGHwL6v.97 but Verkauft=Sold
S.
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JollyRodgers
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They look a little bit like the boat from The Talented Mr Ripley, if i recall correctly.
Not having much luck with this whole boat hunting thing. Hopefully will be able to speak to some people at the end of the month down at the Marina and see if I can find anything nice.
robertt
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Folk tend to suggest the type of boat that they own (bias plus experience of it) so I'll throw in my tuppence worth.
Bought my first boat 2 years ago, she is a Trapper 501 and I am glad to say in retrospect she is exactly right for me and my family of 5. She is seaworthy and fast enough but easy to handle even singlehanded. She can sleep 6 but 4 are reasonably comfortable. Plenty of Trapper 500s around (almost identical) at well within your budget
Bought my first boat 2 years ago, she is a Trapper 501 and I am glad to say in retrospect she is exactly right for me and my family of 5. She is seaworthy and fast enough but easy to handle even singlehanded. She can sleep 6 but 4 are reasonably comfortable. Plenty of Trapper 500s around (almost identical) at well within your budget
derekgillard
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I had the same issue 12 years ago, finally pushed the budget a bit more and bought a Sadler 29. Solid as a rock sails like a dream and never let me down
enough room down below for the family.
As a first boat we felt the Sadler would look after us as we learned the ropre so to speak and she has.
Funny enough she is now for sale as we are upgrading not sure I could go down to £15k but if you want more details PM me and we can discuss.
Del Buoy
enough room down below for the family.
As a first boat we felt the Sadler would look after us as we learned the ropre so to speak and she has.
Funny enough she is now for sale as we are upgrading not sure I could go down to £15k but if you want more details PM me and we can discuss.
Del Buoy
Seajet
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Thank you. I'm in no particular rush to get something. Not like I need it to travel to work on or anything..
I don't plan on living abroad this one because I have somewhere to live already and it would make my commute to the office exponentially longer. My second boat though, I would definitely like to live abroad. My plan/dream is to use my first boat as a learner and to get used to everything and fixing problems that will inevitably occur and basically learning as much as I can about all aspects of sailing and then when I have my second boat, sail around the Med with my girlfriend. Staying in one place until we get bored and then moving onto the next. Spain/Italy/France/Corsica/Sardinia/Italy/Malta/Greece/Croatia/Montenegro/Turkey - everywhere. Eating lots of nice sea food, spearfishing fresh fish for dinner, lots of diving and lots of nice wine
I googled "fastnet" (I was unaware of it before hand) ... Damn! That looks intense! The Ohlsen 38 is a beaut of a boat too!
JollyRodgers,
here's just one version about the 1979 Fastnet; there are quite a few books on the subject, one of the best being ' Left For Dead ' by Nick Ward, another side of the story about Grimalkin - every sailor I know who tried it had to read it in one go, ' unputdownable '. No connection !
The Inquiry afterwards led to a lot of improvements to lifejackets, harness hooks, hatches, rafts etc.
Actually 19 people lost, as there was a spectator catamaran following the fleet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHTKMGO0YYw
Scotty_Tradewind
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Sadler 29 http://yachts.apolloduck.co.uk/feature.phtml?id=320651
A few of them about close to your Budget.
Some more info on this old thread.. http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?202416-Unsinkable-boats
I was alongside a retired guy who had been round Britain a few times in his. They come in twin (Bilge) keel and fin.
'Bilge' keelers give greater flexibility to go up shallower creeks and dry out by sitting her down where she is. Twin keelers can have
a reputation of not tracking so well in a straight line or 'crabbing', and generally some are criticised at being a bit rolly in a sea, but
I've heard very good things about the Sadlers both fin and twin keel. Not sure if they did different sized fin keels or not?
They do fit most of your criteria and are the size that makes you feel you've arrived in the yachting scene rather than in a day sailor or dinghy imho.
However, like my boat, they are long in the tooth and ask loads more about them and always, always get a survey if it's worth insuring!
S.
A few of them about close to your Budget.
Some more info on this old thread.. http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?202416-Unsinkable-boats
I was alongside a retired guy who had been round Britain a few times in his. They come in twin (Bilge) keel and fin.
'Bilge' keelers give greater flexibility to go up shallower creeks and dry out by sitting her down where she is. Twin keelers can have
a reputation of not tracking so well in a straight line or 'crabbing', and generally some are criticised at being a bit rolly in a sea, but
I've heard very good things about the Sadlers both fin and twin keel. Not sure if they did different sized fin keels or not?
They do fit most of your criteria and are the size that makes you feel you've arrived in the yachting scene rather than in a day sailor or dinghy imho.
However, like my boat, they are long in the tooth and ask loads more about them and always, always get a survey if it's worth insuring!
S.
Babylon
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Interesting that the majority of boats proposed for the OP's first yacht are sub-30ft, with many being older, more heavily-built designs.
V1701
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Thank you. I'm in no particular rush to get something. Not like I need it to travel to work on or anything..
I don't plan on living abroad this one because I have somewhere to live already and it would make my commute to the office exponentially longer. My second boat though, I would definitely like to live abroad. My plan/dream is to use my first boat as a learner and to get used to everything and fixing problems that will inevitably occur and basically learning as much as I can about all aspects of sailing and then when I have my second boat, sail around the Med with my girlfriend. Staying in one place until we get bored and then moving onto the next. Spain/Italy/France/Corsica/Sardinia/Italy/Malta/Greece/Croatia/Montenegro/Turkey - everywhere. Eating lots of nice sea food, spearfishing fresh fish for dinner, lots of diving and lots of nice wine
In that case I think you could do a lot worse than the Sadler 25 near where you are, looks to be good value & very manageable. Diving kit very handy for the Med when you get there, I have mine on my boat in Greece. There are a lot of very tired boats you just have to keep looking, unfortunately boats aren't treated the same as, e.g. cars where if you were going to see a £15kcar you'd expect it to have been valeted & poilshed, etc. not sure why. In my experience you stand more chance of finding a good one if it's for sale privately, again I'm not sure why. I've bought 4 & sold 2, all privately. Here's a nice one you may not have seen, which was next on my list to see had I not bought:
http://www.red-ensign.com/dehler-duetta-86
Unusual layout that may or may not suit. Here's a couple of links to help with research as well:
http://www.yachtsnet.co.uk/archives.htm
http://www.western-horizon.co.uk/archive_boats.php
Good luck...
Scotty_Tradewind
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Tranona
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That is perhaps because a £15k budget excludes most modern boats in that size range (and also reflects the kind of boats many people here started with).
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