Locking turn or OXXO on a cleat

[Dipper]

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Kick the bu**ers over the side

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No can do. They are in charge of the booze! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

 

[awol]

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Two Os, lots of Xs (four or five - depending on how large your cleat is), and then one, or possible two, locking turns.

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Suppose anything that differentiates it from all the other AWBs makes it easier to find - and a dog's dinner like that is certainly different.

 

[alant]

I had an instructor on board last week (RYA Yachtmaster) who said never put a locking turn. Instead use OXXO.

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OXO, will hold a 43GRT 67' BT Challenge Yacht ok, so why not anything smaller.

How do you untie a locking hitch once its loaded??

Only used by lorry drivers & Birmingham Navy!!

 

[rusailing]

may as well join in.....

no locking turns to be found on any boat i'm on. do them if you want but what's the point? only negatives i'm afraid.

before you tell me off, i'm backed by the RYA and glad to hear other instructors have been 'towing the line' on the subject.

above all, be safe and enjoy.

R

 

[Grajan]

With a BIG knife and stand well back!!!

 

[awol]

Found this "how to do it" picture -
<span style="color:red">Not a locking turn in sight!</span>

 

[damo]

Yellow polyprop c/w overhand knot inspires with confidence! (Along with dissimilar metals on the rh cleat /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif )

 

[stevebrassett]

It's my boat, and if I want to put a locking turn on I will. Usually only on mooring lines, though. And on the genoa halyard.

 

[fireball]

I'm with Full Circle ... 0800 .. works for me ... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[Lakesailor]

What a pedantic thread.
No one has mentioned size of cleat, size or stiffness of warp or chop on the mooring site.
I've always finished off with a locking turn (or two) and if Whipper Snapper came on board my boat he's get a bollocking if he didn't

 

[VicS]

I was taught to use a bowline over the pontoon (or host boat) cleat (NO spare rope on the pontoon or someone elses deck). And NOT to put locking turns on in case it was necessary to let go quickly.

(National Sailing Centre, Cowes)

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dissimilar metals on the rh cleat

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[whipper_snapper]

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What a pedantic thread.

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This is one of the very few things where there is simply no reason to do it any way other than the 'right' way. I can't offhand think of anything else, from anchors to colregs via locking the prop while sailing where that is true.


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No one has mentioned size of cleat, size or stiffness of warp

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It is true for 2mm flag halyards, 20mm sheets and everything in between. If the cleat is too small for the rope then a locking turn will make things much worse.


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or chop on the mooring site.

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??

 

[Athene V30]

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I was taught to use a bowline over the pontoon (or host boat) cleat (NO spare rope on the pontoon or someone elses deck).

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I too would start with a bowline on pontoon / other boat (dipped if not the first) but would probably change it to round turn & two half hitches or even anchor hitch if cleat is suitable and likely to be any swell so reduce chafing on my ropes. Always minimise the rope used on other boat / shore and leave space for others to share the cleat........it is only polite!

Anyone I help berth outboard of me gets the end of their line secured so they can have the rest back. Only caused an argument once with a rather pompous and intoxicated skipper who on berthing his 35' sloop outboard my 27' at 0100 managed to T-bone me initially and then expect me to sort it out for him and his crew!! As I was a guest of his sailing club it was all rather embarrasing for the member (& Life Commodore) who had invited me!

OXO on my boat for shore lines.

 

[whipper_snapper]

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Anyone I help berth outboard of me gets the end of their line secured so they can have the rest back.

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Oooo, maybe opportunity for controversy here!!

While of course you eventually want to end-up with most of the rope aboard, if I am ashore and someone passes me a line I often cleat it there and then making my best guess at the length the skipper wants. I suppose I decide what to do by looking at the crew onboard and the state of the other end for signs of their expectations!!

If, for example, there are two people on each line and they are clearly standing ready to take in the slack, then I would secure a loop and leave it to them to get the length right. If there is one person (or fewer) and the end is made off I would cleat it at the appropriate length and trust them to tidy-up later.

Sometimes, if it is danger of going to ratshit and the skipper is expecting a rope ashore to take some load immediately, it can be embarrassing when you end up with a line neatly tied off at each end, 30m of rope in the water, and the boat drifting away!

 

[NJMcK]

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It is true for 2mm flag halyards, 20mm sheets and everything in between.



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What unusual mooring lines.

 

[Lakesailor]

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This is one of the very few things where there is simply no reason to do it any way other than the 'right' way.


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Another thread where everyone has a different idea that works for them. Nothing wrong there, except that someone seems to be sitting in judgement and everyone but him is wrong. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

 

[Happydaze]

If the OXO or OXXO holds as it should, then the locking turn will only give piece of mind and wont lock up solid, so on mooring lines do what you are happy with.

 

[webcraft]

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If the OXO or OXXO holds as it should, then the locking turn will only give piece of mind and wont lock up solid, so on mooring lines do what you are happy with.

[/ QUOTE ] Nearly got lakesailored here . . . exactly what I was going to say.

I use the standard OXO or OXXO depending on size of cleat, but usually put a locking turn on as well for luck.

I have never had a locking turn jam because the OXO or OXXO hasn't ever slipped.

It is, as the Irish say, 'to be sure to be sure' - there in case of unforseen circumstances. If it ever IS locked solid then I will be very glad as there has obviously been some unprecedented OXO failure.

(And of course I wouldn't do it when running an RYA course - although I do mention the practice and demonstrate it, as people will undoubtedly come across it. I always point out to people I am teaching that they will come across various ways of doing things, some of which are better than others but few of which are absolutely 100% wrong. It is making sure that they are aware of the ones that are 100% wrong that is important - and IMO this is not one of them.

Bring on the knot threads! Knots are the new Colregs!

- W

 

[doug748]

I have been amused to witness all sorts of emotional wobble on these pages the years, often on the most unlikely topics. My anchor has gone from being the most powerful nay fashionable item, to one that would struggle to hold my front door open; my seacocks are solely responsible for the decline of the British Empire and are not fit for a steam laundry; my stern gear is certain to overwhelm the boat; revisionists in the yachting press have even suggested the boat itself (once respected and desirable) is now overpriced, overrated and structurally iffy. Heigh ho. Why should I care?
BUT, now this. Here is my Torres Vedras. I will defer to no man on the issue of locking turns.
I once went on a RYA course, just to see. The government instructor, patiently undid my locking turns and explained, as to a child, that we did not use them. Had he been looking he would have seen a distant look in my eye, I was planning how to spend the rest of my time on the trip. I certainly was not going to listen to this bloke. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

[earlybird]

I was not going to join this thread, but I've just looked up what Eric Hiscock, ( my sailing guru ! ), has to say on the subject. He used a locking hitch when belaying to a cleat, "except when the rope is natural fibre".
I think that what was good enough for him is good enough for me, and probably anyone else for that matter.