Portofino
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Well lads looks like the GR are out of the blocks before the guns gone off !......Re qualification (s) .
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Hurricane
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So, why wasn't the Philippino lovely?
vas
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clearly 4 times lovely in one post is too much even for an engineer
Birdseye
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But you dont pay VAT when you buy a second hand boat in the UK. Presumably the problem comes if someone buys a new boat in the UK and doesnt move it abroad until its no longer possible to reclaim. But by then the VAT is lost anyway - that why the price depreciates as soon as you take ownership.
Hurricane
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No, this is the point - the boat would have had VAT paid on it twice.
I stand by my comment
After 31st Dec 2020, UK citizen buying a second hand boat in the UK and wanting to use it in the Med would have to pay VAT to move it into Europe.
Even if it was a UK VAT paid boat.
nortada
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Not much you can do about it this late in the day, so rather than all of this speculation, why not wait until next year, when reality will strike home.
Hurricane
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Over the last 3 or 4 years, I have always been philosophical about what would happen after Brexit.
But now we are getting nearer, actuality is becoming more apparent.
Item 2 in my summary (90/180 days) now seems to be very likely.
The other 2 items (import duties / VAT on boats and goods entering the EU from the UK) may depend on a UK/EU deal.
Hurricane
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Following my last on this matter, one of our marina forum team had a meeting with our marina manager. He seemed confident that Spain would find a way round these problems as they all agree that Spain is desperate to keep the tourist/expat trade. I tend to agree that the Spanish will find solutions to all the issues quoted in my summary. We will have to wait and see how it all "pans out".
Portofino
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Long shot but I wonder if a “ mini “ deal could be done on the 90 in 180 rule . Between the U.K. and EU on a reciprocal basis .
Thinking there local economies needing economic support .
Its only a paper work issue , a academic issue of minimal practical benefit.
A lot of hassle and expense to enforce , with the risk of bitting the hand that feeds them .
Hopefully a Y2K .
Nothing material will happen .It may take a few months to sort / rubber stamp but by Easter or sooner any day counting hopefully will be redundant.
Thinking there local economies needing economic support .
Its only a paper work issue , a academic issue of minimal practical benefit.
A lot of hassle and expense to enforce , with the risk of bitting the hand that feeds them .
Hopefully a Y2K .
Nothing material will happen .It may take a few months to sort / rubber stamp but by Easter or sooner any day counting hopefully will be redundant.
st599
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The RYA said the EU had said it could be extended if the EU reciprocated. UK said no free entry, have to apply for a visa.
Sandmartin
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In the French marina, where I currently have my boat. There are Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, South African and American boat owners. If France/The EU tried to treat us any differntly to them after Brexit, I think there would be some serious international court cases.
Hurricane
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There is going to be an RYA Webinar tomorrow (Wednesday 14th) on this matter.
Register here
RYA to host Brexit Webinar
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RYA to host Brexit Webinar
st599
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I went to last weeks which was given to RYA London and South East clubs. Worth a watch. The immigration rules are going to be interesting - need to find a list of Ports of Entry.
Baggywrinkle
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Schengen 90/180 is universal for every other 3rd country in the world - and was set that way to allow normal tourism in the EU.
Spain may do something for UK property owners in Spain, but I really can't see much EU benefit for a Schengen level waiver for UK citizens - a lot of the pensioners couldn't get health insurance anyway for more than 90 days abroad.
Package holidays and normal tourists are covered by 90/180.
Over 183 days and you can apply for residency in an EU country - some EU countries may make this easier if you own property or have a marina contract/permanent address, and if you can self-support or have a job then this is the route.
There are already long-stay visas (1 year) for France, Sweden, Italy, Greece, Spain, and Portugal (Subject to conditions like being rich enough) .... so once that is taken into account, all that is left are the people who are between 90 and 183 days of no fixed abode, and who want to travel round the Schengen area - basically people smugglers and drug runners make up the majority of this group
..... Why would they bother? This is a minuscule amount of people - the business case for the EU doesn't stack up ..... now if the UK were to allow EU fishing fleets access to UK waters, then it might be worth it.
Otherwise, why waste the time and effort changing ETIAS for a tiny percentage of one 3rd countries tourists?
It has always been this way for 3rd country citizens .... and I would imagine this "problem" is so far down the UK governments priority list they'll probably never even get round to it anyway. Spain will protect their economy with the localised long-stay visas they already have, as will any other country that has a large percentage of UK pensioners.
Your Guide to (Legally) Staying in Europe for More Than 90 Days
Hurricane
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I don't understand this statement in your link:-
Your first entry in the 180-day period is when your 90-day counter starts. These days don’t need to be consecutive — the total is cumulative. Once day 181 hits, the count resets itself.
For example, if I come to the Area in January and stay for 60 days and then come back in June for 10 days, that counts as 70 days in 180 days. Only days you are in the zone during the period count. If you go on January 1st and stay 90 straight days, you have to leave and technically can’t come back until July 1st.
That seems to contradict the rolling 180 days that I've read elsewhere (including on the Schengen website).
Am I missing something?
Baggywrinkle
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"Your first entry in the 180-day period is when your 90-day counter starts. These days don’t need to be consecutive — the total is cumulative. Once day 181 hits, the count resets itself."
The statement above is misleading, there is no "90 day counter" as such, just a 90 day limit .. any day in Schengen longer than 180 days ago no longer counts to the total - I think that is what he meant by count resets but he worded it very badly. .... If you spend 181 days out of the Schengen area then your 90 days are effectively "reset" (all available again) - it is only calculated on a retrospective 180 day window.
Your understanding is correct.
Hurricane
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Thanks
Unclear posts on web pages like that cause incorrect rumours.
It will be interesting to hear what the RYA have to say tomorrow. I've never had much confidence with the RYA. I'm only a member to get my ICC free.
jrudge
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Look back 180 days from today. Count the number of days in schengen. More than 90 you have a problem.
Rinse and repeat each day.
Rinse and repeat each day.
Forty_Two
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Exactly, even safe to use old Excel versions to work it all out ?
Hurricane
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Not very impressed with that RYA webinar, I'm afraid.
After spending a quarter of the time sorting out the technology, they didn't (IMO) say much.
Nothing that we didn't already know from this thread.
They took a whole hour saying less than I wrote in my summary above!!!
In fact, some of the comments were very misleading.
For example, there was a lot said about the ICC - and although it was said, they didn't make it 100% clear that the ICC will STILL be valid for British Registered boats (in any country's waters).
Not a single mention to ETIAS which I find extraordinary.
As I said above, I've never had much confidence with the RYA.
And this is a good example.
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