Knifes

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This reminds me of the time the old chap was stopped, and accused of poaching, when all he was doing was walking along the river bank with a fishing rod over his shoulder.
"I haven't done anything wrong", he said.
"Ah! but you have all the equipment".
"Well you'll better be charging me with raping all the women in the village then".
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If anyone is considering carrying a knife as a weapon, I suggest you look at some pictures defence wounds on victims hands. They still make my stomach turn more than the more serious wounds.

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A long, long time ago, I used to teach self defence, Jiu-Jitsu. A huge amount of practice time went into knife defence techniques. These are very difficult and needed lots of practice to get right. Luckily non of my students ever had to defend themselves for real against a knife attack, though. I found that it took a long time to get a "nice" person to act aggressively enough to deal with an aggressive attack. However, the one cardinal rule was to never ever try to use the knife against the attacker. Partly as it went beyond 'reasonable force' but mainly due to the fact that trying to grab a knife off someone was bound to end in tears and nullified your trained responses.
 
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Nothing insulting in my post -- just simple fact.
Insulting is being stopped by the side of the *public* highway with my family and two dogs in the car, being accused of being a criminal and subjected to a lecture on road safety by some spotty oik who probably hadn't even been born when I passed my test, and then breathalised because my one of my rear lights didn't appear to be working. (No, nor was the other one. That was because in broad daylight they were switched off).
And all because I was rash enough to take my dogs to some woods a few miles away for a special Boxing Day walk.
Insulting is being accosted in a car park and loudly accused by a plastic plod of attempting to defraud the taxpayer by not having a tax disc on my motor bike (No dear, motorbikes don't usually have their tax discs on the windscreen -- they are too easy to nick. Try looking at the tax disc holder down by the front wheel.)
Ive got another story that trumps both of these -- but it would take too long.
 
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This thread is supposed to be about the law, not the politics that formed it or the supposed inadequcies in enforcing it. I have been trying to be helpful on here and considered your response un-necessary and rude, though appreciate you need to get it off your chest.

I supposed all coppers are the same, eh?

Funny how prejudices never seem like prejudices to those who hold them.

The lounge is the normal venue for rants.
 
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What happens when you transport the bread knife from wherever to the boat and plod stops you?
Stu
 
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What happens when you transport the bread knife from wherever to the boat and plod stops you?
Stu

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The same as happens when you transport it from the shop where you bought to your house; nothing because you have reasonable cause and lawful excuse. That is what that term is there for and in the real world it works.
 
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IIRC a few years ago a certain Tom Faulds who is an ex British Army Brigadier and currently chief executive of the Institution of Civil Engineers was stopped boarding a Eurostar as he had a leatherman in his briefcase.

When he tried to point out that he was a respectable businessman etc expecting common sense to prevail it all got a bit out of hand and he was arrested and removed to a Police Station.

Being a man of principle he followed it through and later got a complete dischage and a letter stating something like it had all got out of hand.

No doubt apart from missing his train and probably involved in some additional expense he probably felt vindicated but not happy.

Do not expect common sense to ever prevail. I have now lost 2 swiss army keyring knives 1&1/4" blade at airport security yet once forgot the stanley blade I kept in my wallet and got through both UK and USA security before I could throw it away!

I do appreciate the risk on planes from sharp blades but do wonder what the current instructions are for Pilots if say a air hostess was threatened with a slit throat by a terrorist armed with a Stanley blade. Surely after 911 the Pilot would refuse to open the cockpit door and land immediately.
 
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The same as happens when you transport it from the shop where you bought to your house; nothing because you have reasonable cause and lawful excuse. That is what that term is there for and in the real world it works.

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It works well for a bread knife. A dastardly fixed blade sailing knife seems to elicit a compeltely unreasonable response from the authorities and my nasty looking diving knife really sends them berserk. One could get the impression that the authorities don't really understand the 'reasonable excuse' bit of the law.

I used to carry my knife close to the top of my kit, not on view but the first item in a closed bag. I reasoned that I had a reasonable excuse and it was better not to be accused to trying to conceal a weapon. I think this was my downfall because when I opened the bag in the car to get my wallet to pay for petrol the knife was seen, reported and I got stopped. After a visit to the cop shop I still have my knife. I now put it at the bottom of my bag with the excuse that I just happened to pack it first and am not hiding it.
 
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I used to carry a full electrician's tool kit on as hand luggage in days gone by. The dis-assembled hand cross bow discovered by x-ray did lead to some additional questioning. How times have changed.
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I used to fly with a couple of cut-throat razors in the hand bag, now they would probably arrest me :(





***oh, a 2009 thread..
 
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graham said:
The scenario that worries me more is dropping a knife into my coat pocket when out sailing then forgetting about it.

In the unlikely event of being stopped and searched then a court appearance and possible jail sentence could be the result.
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I have done this very thing. I was working on the rigging of my boat when it was in St Kat's.
Got up the following morning, grabbed my jacket, and trotted off to work.

About halfway along the district line heading towards embankment, I put my hand in my pocket, and... my knife is in there. Oh my god, thinks I. If there's a stop and search I'm in a whole world of bother. Could have got five years for that!
 
I regularly find myself halfway home from a day's sailing before I realise the Leatherman is still attached to my belt!

And did you know that airlines are happy for you to take fishing reels in hand luggage but not if they're loaded with line!
 
Sailfree said:
IIRC a few years ago a certain Tom Faulds who is an ex British Army Brigadier and currently chief executive of the Institution of Civil Engineers was stopped boarding a Eurostar as he had a leatherman in his briefcase.

When he tried to point out that he was a respectable businessman etc expecting common sense to prevail it all got a bit out of hand and he was arrested and removed to a Police Station.

Being a man of principle he followed it through and later got a complete dischage and a letter stating something like it had all got out of hand.

No doubt apart from missing his train and probably involved in some additional expense he probably felt vindicated but not happy.

Do not expect common sense to ever prevail. I have now lost 2 swiss army keyring knives 1&1/4" blade at airport security yet once forgot the stanley blade I kept in my wallet and got through both UK and USA security before I could throw it away!

I do appreciate the risk on planes from sharp blades but do wonder what the current instructions are for Pilots if say a air hostess was threatened with a slit throat by a terrorist armed with a Stanley blade. Surely after 911 the Pilot would refuse to open the cockpit door and land immediately.
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From my point of view it does rather beggar the question of why you keep a Stanley Knife blade in your wallet? Some years ago I would regularly travel to Florida for sport fishing. In my fishing kit were two highly dangerous knives, the bait knife and the filleting knife. As they travelled in the hold and I declared that they were there, no problem.
 
Highndry said:
I regularly find myself halfway home from a day's sailing before I realise the Leatherman is still attached to my belt!

And did you know that airlines are happy for you to take fishing reels in hand luggage but not if they're loaded with line!
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+1 for the leatherman :D



I was once day flying (return later on the same day) with only hand luggage, my father in law gave me some vacuum packed foie gras and French cheeses for my parents: I have been stopped at the security gate, sorry Sir not allowed... hmmm
I left the food in a hidden corner of the airport parking (which seen from the security cameras would have turned me into an instant terrorist), in the evening when I was back I still found them there, so much for bomb threats :rolleyes:
 
Highndry said:
I regularly find myself halfway home from a day's sailing before I realise the Leatherman is still attached to my belt!

And did you know that airlines are happy for you to take fishing reels in hand luggage but not if they're loaded with line!
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Took some new and valuable reels as hand luggage: "you can't take those on the plane, not with the line on!"

"Why?"

"You could strangle someone with that!"

"You could strangle someone with your tie or shoe laces, but you don't make everyone take them off before boarding!"

Airport security does my head in. It's all completely useless. All a really serious terrorist suicide bomber would have to do would be to conceal a condom of Semtex or C4 and a detonator up his rectum, stroll through security, go to the toilet after takeoff, remove it, place it against the outer wall and let if off. Game over.

A similar methodology was used to target the Saudi security chief some years ago (he survived), though the bomb was detonated in situ using a mobile phone.

As far as knives are concerned, I got my first parentally-sanctioned penknife when I was eight and when I was a boy scout 40-odd years ago, we all carried knives, including fixed blade knives on our belt. Between then and now I've often had a knife of some sort in my pocket, some of them 'illegal'. Haven't managed to stab anyone yet.
 
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