Tranona
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Is it perhaps because it is a non EU registered boat? Seem to remember there was a cruising permit cost for such visitors.
Keeping boat in Greece, dangerous?
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macd
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I wondered about that, too, Tranona. But according to JimB's site, a Transit Log (the non-EU boat document) costs €45. The entry for that is dated Jan 2014, though, so maybe things have changed.
P.S. I just came across this, which was total news to me, on Cruiserswikie:
Non-EU boats may now be charged by the port police a fee (I paid 672 Euros in 2014 for a 10 metre sailboat) that was originally applied to non-EU fishing boats. I was told that this is a one time fee, due when a non-EU boat enters Greece for the first time. The port police in Lavrion are charging this fee but I am not aware of any other port police who are doing so.
http://www.cruiserswiki.org/wiki/Greece#Arrival.2FDeparture_procedures
If true, it sounds like one of the one-off cons occasionally encountered, not unlike the Porto Heli one mentioned earlier.
P.S. I just came across this, which was total news to me, on Cruiserswikie:
Non-EU boats may now be charged by the port police a fee (I paid 672 Euros in 2014 for a 10 metre sailboat) that was originally applied to non-EU fishing boats. I was told that this is a one time fee, due when a non-EU boat enters Greece for the first time. The port police in Lavrion are charging this fee but I am not aware of any other port police who are doing so.
http://www.cruiserswiki.org/wiki/Greece#Arrival.2FDeparture_procedures
If true, it sounds like one of the one-off cons occasionally encountered, not unlike the Porto Heli one mentioned earlier.
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Two Drifters
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To be honest it may not have been Euro 250, it was for the DEKPA, the local Tax, and something else I cannot recall. It involved going to see the tax office and the Customs guys as well as the Coast Guard. Just asked SWMBO and she thought it was more like 50??? But could not remember and it pales into insignificance when you think about the charges everywhere else in the Med.
I was just so relived that no one wanted the Euro 1500 plus for the cruising tax that I just went along with whatever was said. My point was that this is not an expensive place to base a boat.
The people are fantastic, very honest in my experience and there is almost no crime.
I was just so relived that no one wanted the Euro 1500 plus for the cruising tax that I just went along with whatever was said. My point was that this is not an expensive place to base a boat.
The people are fantastic, very honest in my experience and there is almost no crime.
craw4d2003
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Pallaran, actually I was under the impression it would be over 1500euros as our boat is 50ft!! This would be a deal breaker and I personally love the Greek people and would love to visit there in our own boat but I hope I don't meet anyone as unfriendly as you on our travels!
Tranona
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You have already been told in post #15 that there is no "sailing tax" in Greece, complete with a Cruising Association link with detailed advice. You only need to get a DEKPA which needs stamping once a year.
craw4d2003
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Wow thanks for that information it's really given us hope that we can cruise in Greek waters without having to pay high taxes.
craw4d2003
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Yes I've seen that, but thanks for pointing it out again.
craw4d2003
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Thanks, again great news for cruisers.
craw4d2003
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Mac thanks for all the information and advice, it's appreciated.
Mr Cassandra
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Two Drifters
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So far this is very much the case.
macd
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Bertramdriver
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Now that the Bertram is in other hands and my ties with Greece are (partially) severed I can look at what's happening with objectivity. It's clear that the big boys of the EU are about to turn parts of Greece into a number of " holding centres" for the migrants as a price for continuing financial support to the Greek Government. The Turks have proven to be unenthusiastic about taking more and the routes north will be sealed, so expect to see several Aegean Islands start to look like Alcatraz quite soon, probably some of the smaller and less economically viable ones. The same is likely to happen ( or already has eg Lampadusa) in the lower Ionian and Sicily. The various governments will aim to keep the migrants isolated and uncomfortable to encourage their desire to return to their countries of origin.
So the past 15 years of Greek boating were probably the best and what is left to come will be less enjoyable. Good luck you guys who are still living the dream, you now have 2 million Syrians and North Africans to share it with.
So the past 15 years of Greek boating were probably the best and what is left to come will be less enjoyable. Good luck you guys who are still living the dream, you now have 2 million Syrians and North Africans to share it with.
OldBawley
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It may get bad in certain parts of Greece but at the moment I see less illegals than some years before.
All the poor guys working for 15 € / day have jumped the bandwagon.
Anyway, if it really gets bad, next year I could winter on Hydra.
Just read the history of that island and it becomes clear, no illegals there.
The advantage of having a self sufficient lifestyle and yacht. Don´t like the place anymore ? Just lift the anchor and sail to a better place.
All the poor guys working for 15 € / day have jumped the bandwagon.
Anyway, if it really gets bad, next year I could winter on Hydra.
Just read the history of that island and it becomes clear, no illegals there.
The advantage of having a self sufficient lifestyle and yacht. Don´t like the place anymore ? Just lift the anchor and sail to a better place.
boatman61
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I collected an Australian boat in Samos last Autumn.. spent about 7 days there.. evidence of refugees littered the coastline facing Turkey which is only about 2nm away but there were no problems with them.. a few wandering round town but borders had not started shutting back then.
Sailed from there to Kusadasi, Turkey where I spent 3 days to reset the clock (and have a wander round) then got my Transit Log and headed for the Corinth Canal and on to Sicily and then Gozo, Malta where the new owner wanted some refitting work done.
Life seemed pretty normal and quiet.. no big deal anywhere along the way..
Sky etc are jumping on the Disaster bandwagon.. its to the North and West where the 'Hot Spots' are and they're around Macedonia and the land routes..
There will always be overreaction by some..
Sailed from there to Kusadasi, Turkey where I spent 3 days to reset the clock (and have a wander round) then got my Transit Log and headed for the Corinth Canal and on to Sicily and then Gozo, Malta where the new owner wanted some refitting work done.
Life seemed pretty normal and quiet.. no big deal anywhere along the way..
Sky etc are jumping on the Disaster bandwagon.. its to the North and West where the 'Hot Spots' are and they're around Macedonia and the land routes..
There will always be overreaction by some..
NornaBiron
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The 'Hotspots' are on Kos, Leros, Lesvos, Samos and Chios.
We saw the Leros one, on the south side of Lakki bay last week, it wasn't open at that point. The Kos Hotspot was not built and was still being fought over, by angry locals who don't want it, when we were there a few weeks ago.
The Hotspots are designed for more organised processing of refugees at their point of entry into the EU before moving them on. With the volume of people still arriving regularly their effectiveness remains to be seen.
boatman61
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Thanks for the Update.. the Borders closing have started a mad rush I must confess and the 'Seasonal Migration' has switched to all the time in their desperation to make it before the 'Wall' goes up completely.
affinite
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Where is the Leros Hotspot in relation to the Evros yard ?
Is it on the site of the old hospital or further towards the Naval Base ?
We are putting Canopus ashore up at Partheni for a couple of months over summer - hence the interest
NornaBiron
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The Leros Hotspot is on the south side of the Lakki Bay, next to the old hospital If you walk past the Evros marina and stay on the road for a couple of kilometres you will come to it. Nowhere near Partheni. We visited Partheni before we left last week - no sign of any refugees.
Most refugees that arrive on Leros are taken there by the Greek authorities from other islands i.e. Farmakonisia, Kalolimnos etc, very few arrive directly on Leros and those that are there are not causing any problems. If anything Lakki town is getting is getting a large injection of cash from all the aid workers spending their hard earned euros.
Most refugees that arrive on Leros are taken there by the Greek authorities from other islands i.e. Farmakonisia, Kalolimnos etc, very few arrive directly on Leros and those that are there are not causing any problems. If anything Lakki town is getting is getting a large injection of cash from all the aid workers spending their hard earned euros.
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