Keeping boat in Greece, dangerous?

[vyv_cox]

Interesting news this morning that EU has agreed with Turkey that migrants will be held in Turkey and turned back if found at sea. Difficult to imagine how it is going to work but I anticipate a lot more aggro than there has been so far. Testing times ahead in the Aegean, I think.

 

[Artic Warrior]

That will be an interesting outcome for sure

Interesting news this morning that EU has agreed with Turkey that migrants will be held in Turkey and turned back if found at sea. Difficult to imagine how it is going to work but I anticipate a lot more aggro than there has been so far. Testing times ahead in the Aegean, I think.

 

[macd]

That will be an interesting outcome for sure

I think you're right...possibly with major undertstatement. Turkey certainly has many more fast patrol craft suitable to the task than Greece, and no doubt some fairly sophisticated means of monitoring its coasts. But ultimately its about how a boat full of fairly desperate people respond to an armed vessel at sea. It could easily become tragic.

From our parochial point of view it may mean more checks (and a greater reluctance to stretch the boundaries of Turkish immigration procedures ). But that's of trivial importance in the overall scheme of things.

 

[Mr Cassandra]

I just had a talk with my Greek friend in Poros. He told me that 2000 refugees have been put into a camp just outside Galitas opposite the Lidl. They were given toilet facility's by way of shipping containers which they destroyed in the first week as they prefer to do their business outdoors on the street.
The young men with them are harassing the local girls and women .They appear to live by rummaging through the rubbish bags put out in the bins which they then spread all over the roads .Hopefully it will have calmed down by summer .

 

[catmandoo]

Interesting news this morning that EU has agreed with Turkey that migrants will be held in Turkey and turned back if found at sea. Difficult to imagine how it is going to work but I anticipate a lot more aggro than there has been so far. Testing times ahead in the Aegean, I think.

UN says it's illegal to do that so nothing's resolved yet

 

[CJ13]

I just had a talk with my Greek friend in Poros. He told me that 2000 refugees have been put into a camp just outside Galitas opposite the Lidl. They were given toilet facility's by way of shipping containers which they destroyed in the first week as they prefer to do their business outdoors on the street.
The young men with them are harassing the local girls and women .They appear to live by rummaging through the rubbish bags put out in the bins which they then spread all over the roads .Hopefully it will have calmed down by summer .

Hmm- that's a bit of worry we'd planned to leave our boat on a mooring off Galitas for July / Aug - from a selfish point of view let's hope they've moved on by then.
Presumably they're living in the derelict holiday camp in amongst the tree's, between Lidl & the sea, which has been crying out for something to be done with it.

 

[NornaBiron]

I just had a talk with my Greek friend in Poros. He told me that 2000 refugees have been put into a camp just outside Galitas opposite the Lidl. They were given toilet facility's by way of shipping containers which they destroyed in the first week as they prefer to do their business outdoors on the street.
The young men with them are harassing the local girls and women .They appear to live by rummaging through the rubbish bags put out in the bins which they then spread all over the roads .Hopefully it will have calmed down by summer .

We're going over there on Monday, will have a look and report back.

 

[Tony Cross]

I'm pretty sure that you'll find the migrants currently in tourism areas are quietly and swiftly moved away before the start of the tourism season. They'll be 'relocated' to areas that do not get many tourists.

Greece simply cannot afford to allow migrants to damage their tourism industry. Not now anyway.....

 

[Mr Cassandra]

We're going over there on Monday, will have a look and report back.

I think it's the old Stella Maris holiday camp it's about a mile out of town and down a small lane to the beach.or it could be a smaller area that was a holiday tent camp site a little closer .I am not exactly sure as It was Manos`s English wife that told me, an she was more concerned about the mess and fear of the men than the position of the site.

Both sites are a couple of 100m from my line of moorings on that side .

 

[CJ13]

I spoke to Manos last week & he didn't mention the problem!

 

[Mr Cassandra]

I spoke to Manos last week & he didn't mention the problem!

It may not be a problem when you arrive mid summer .Lets hope .

 

[charles_reed]

UN says it's illegal to do that so nothing's resolved yet

The agreement is probably in breach of International Law.
But someone has to challenge it before International Courts can kick it into touch.

 

[NornaBiron]

I just had a talk with my Greek friend in Poros. He told me that 2000 refugees have been put into a camp just outside Galitas opposite the Lidl. They were given toilet facility's by way of shipping containers which they destroyed in the first week as they prefer to do their business outdoors on the street.
The young men with them are harassing the local girls and women .They appear to live by rummaging through the rubbish bags put out in the bins which they then spread all over the roads .Hopefully it will have calmed down by summer .

Been to Galatas this afternoon. There is absolutely no sign, whatsoever, of any refugees, the area is clean and tidy. We walked up by the now also nonexistant Lidl (yep, it's gone) and had a nosy around, as well as looking from the sea as we approached the anchorage - nothing!

 

[macd]

Been to Galatas this afternoon. There is absolutely no sign, whatsoever, of any refugees, the area is clean and tidy. We walked up by the now also nonexistant Lidl (yep, it's gone) and had a nosy around, as well as looking from the sea as we approached the anchorage - nothing!

You wrote that so moderately in the face of such a tirade of evidently groundless invective, that I think I'm going to propose you both for sainthood. (Unless you'd prefer a beer next time our wakes cross.)

 

[Mr Cassandra]

You wrote that so moderately in the face of such a tirade of evidently groundless invective, that I think I'm going to propose you both for sainthood. (Unless you'd prefer a beer next time our wakes cross.)

I have been involved in Poros since 1999 with my moorings .It is not in my interest to make up groundless invective .It would appear that there was around a hundred there in the camp until the end of Feb.
Because of conditions in the camp the Mayor has had them moved them out to another area. Unfortunately Athens has overruled this person and the camp is being made ready for considerably more ....So watch this space

 

[macd]

It is not in my interest to make up groundless invective .

I didn't suggest you made it up. You clearly just passed it on.

 

[NornaBiron]

I have been involved in Poros since 1999 with my moorings .It is not in my interest to make up groundless invective .It would appear that there was around a hundred there in the camp until the end of Feb.
Because of conditions in the camp the Mayor has had them moved them out to another area. Unfortunately Athens has overruled this person and the camp is being made ready for considerably more ....So watch this space

We'll be back in a month or so and will check it out again - although as Lidl is now gone there's not so much reason to head that way!