installing a generator

[Dodgy Diver]

I never said we would be moving, if we were we'd have 75 amps available from the engine
if its on water im pretty sure there is movement

let me show you what I build . give me 10 mins

 

[Bouba]

because every one who has offered a negative has no real backing to it , I was told I cant water cool it . yet I can
I was told I cant extend the exhaust , yet there is a kit designed to do this exactly
was told it won't power a microwave , yet it will

no one has actually told me a factual reason it cant be done safely

im not angry at all , more annoyed that it seems im told I cant do it , just because thats the way it is , no other reason , yet its been on bigger boats for years . Americans have used them in RV's since the 70s .

RVs can vent to the ground

 

[LBRodders]

RVs can vent to the ground

And you can walk off them when they burst into flames.

 

[Dodgy Diver]

 

[Dodgy Diver]

these are a few of the things I was told cant be done , 1034 hp in a road legal car , a 25k truck for under 5k spent and 4 months in my garden over weekends
so yeah I may have a issue when im told I cant do it but no actual reason that cant be overcome .

 

[LBRodders]

Edit….couldn’t be bothered

Strange, I have just got that same feeling!

 

[Dodgy Diver]

so yeah I may have a issue when im told I cant do it but no actual reason that cant be overcome .

And you can walk off them when they burst into flames.

yeah true , if only we could swim .mmmmmm

the boat has a 70s engine with a std ingnton could / points / condenser / cap / arm / leads , all potential sources of ignition ( in fact thats what they are designed to do ) compared to a modern injected engine with electronic ignition . id say the generator is safer than the boat engine in terms of likely to catch fire if it miss fires back through the carb . wouldn't you agree ?

 

[Seastoke]

How do you explain it to your insurance

 

[Bouba]

How do you explain it to your insurance

His car has more than a thousand horsepower. I think he has a very understanding insurance broker

 

[Portofino]

How do you explain it to your insurance

With plain English .Preferably in writing .
As you would electrocuting a pax getting a suitcase geny set on the bathing platform or making a claim for it dropping off the bow .

 

[Portofino]

RVs can vent to the ground

I do not get that , ps expand .
Maybe for brevity do you mind me informing you a boat generally is water + air tight below the WL and the ops ( + many others ) had already got a petrol engine and all that necessary approval societies recommend safety kit ..Adequate ventilated ER , fans , tank security, fire extinguisher in the ER etc etc .
Add in optional CO detectors …

One more thing diesel fumes , let’s just lump all internal combustion engine fumes into one group they all give out CO .

Oh Crikey I just realised my boat with 3 ICE s sometimes all running simultaneously…….hang on if I drill holes under them to “ vent “ them I suspect Archimedes law = boat sinks .

Further more some idiot designer has put 2200 litres of fuel in tanks , thin aluminium tanks the same compartment as the “ hot “ engines and there exhausts .Death trap ……what if ? What if ?

You can go on for ever wearing the safety hat .
No “ vents “ underneath………should there be ?

 

[Portofino]

No real negatives mentioned thus far I have read to Darrens plans .Only whiffs of this ^^^ .

 

[rotrax]

Of course someone who can build toys like you can install a suitcase gennie on a boat. Simples.

It beggars the question why you asked.........................

We purchased an excellent Kipor 2600 suitcase genset about eight years ago. First class in every respect.
It is, without doubt, as suitcase gensets are, portable.

Making a permanant fixture of a portable system is not, IMHO, the best way forward.

With your skills, ingenuity and obvious resourcefulness, possible, but perhaps not ideal.

Buy something more suitable, or use it externally.

 

[Bouba]

With plain English .Preferably in writing .
As you would electrocuting a pax getting a suitcase geny set on the bathing platform or making a claim for it dropping off the bow .

« Gasoline produces ignitable vapors that are 3 to 4 times heavier than air and can travel for great distances along the ground. Gas vapors tend to accumulate in low or enclosed spaces. »
« Vehicle exhaust emissions rise the levels of CO in the air. ... CO gas is heavier than airthus can accumulate quickly even in well-ventilated confined areas »

 

[Portofino]

« Gasoline produces ignitable vapors that are 3 to 4 times heavier than air and can travel for great distances along the ground. Gas vapors tend to accumulate in low or enclosed spaces. »
« Vehicle exhaust emissions rise the levels of CO in the air. ... CO gas is heavier than airthus can accumulate quickly even in well-ventilated confined areas »

Hes already got a “ gasoline “ engine .only one .Some , lot have more than one .
Furthermore did you get the gist of post #47?

Ok let me attempt to get the point across pictorially like infant school
Consider ONE carb spitting fuel and believe me they all do .

Hows about this just to scale up the fume issue ?


12 twin barrel Webber’s per side so 24 carbs , one barrel per cylinder and the pipage .
Oh and note no air boxes with felt air filters to mitigate blow back and over fuelling .

A real bird puller .If you did not have to charm her she would be unconscious with the fumes before you untied the lines

But ALL ICE boats are not ground vented inc yours and mine and produce lethal gases .
Diesels from one end the exhaust and old petrols ( carbs ) from both ends .
Hes already got a single carbed petrol and the geny is actually safer as electronic ignition , coil pack and injection tiny Honda ….with a foam air filter to mitigate blow back fumes ……unlike Lamborghini above .

Read what the spec is analyse the info given .

 

[Dodgy Diver]

His car has more than a thousand horsepower. I think he has a very understanding insurance broker

if you know anything about cars and insurance , very easily they come out and carry out a agreed valuation . the car has to have a BIVA test carried out by VOSA to ensure it complies to all current regulations

these are not my only cars , I have a h2 hummer and a escort rs turbo fully re built , I build on average 1 a year through the winter , this year its a boat . my businesses allow me lots of free time in the afternoon so I put it to good use and build things . never once have I had a accident or built something unsafe , and until I have done all the needed research I won't be installing a generator . but just saying I cant dont wash , not when the reasoning is flawed , thanks all

 

[Dodgy Diver]

if the boat passes a safety inspection with it installed then the insurance company cant argue

its amazing how many people have said NO to this , imagine if we all had that attitude , how would the world ever of evolved

IF and I mean IF it can be done safely then there is absolutely no reason not to do it , as said its far far safer than the boats engine that is already installed , yet in the same place . a co2 fire system is very easily installed and would work very well in a enclosed hull .
co2 alarms also cheap and easy to install .

 

[Bouba]

Hes already got a “ gasoline “ engine .only one .Some , lot have more than one .
Furthermore did you get the gist of post #47?

Ok let me attempt to get the point across pictorially like infant school
Consider ONE carb spitting fuel and believe me they all do .

Hows about this just to scale up the fume issue ?

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12 twin barrel Webber’s per side so 24 carbs , one barrel per cylinder and the pipage .
Oh and note no air boxes with felt air filters to mitigate blow back and over fuelling .

A real bird puller .If you did not have to charm her she would be unconscious with the fumes before you untied the lines

But ALL ICE boats are not ground vented inc yours and mine and produce lethal gases .
Diesels from one end the exhaust and old petrols ( carbs ) from both ends .
Hes already got a single carbed petrol and the geny is actually safer as electronic ignition , coil pack and injection tiny Honda ….with a foam air filter to mitigate blow back fumes ……unlike Lamborghini above .

Read what the spec is analyse the info given .

You make my point for me! The safety considerations for an RV are different and shouldn’t be compared. But the OP seems determined and qualified with a talent for building things. So I’m sure what he is planning will be perfectly safe and do the intended job. But, as a general rule for anyone reading this thread, I’m with the majority ; do not try this at home or school

 

[Dodgy Diver]

I feel this has gone as far as it can with out getting bitchy

can Admin lock this please

 

[Croftie]

I feel this has gone as far as it can with out getting bitchy

can Admin lock this please

Why?
In your original post you said "any thoughts please "
You obviously do not like the majority of replies so now want the thread locked. I think you have had a lot of sensible advice, good job you didn't post in the PBO forum the advice would have been the same but put even more anti the idea.