johna
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Re post on PBO requesting info on a Bav 47.
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Incongruous or a sign of the times?
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Admiral
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What point are you trying to make?? Seems a perfectly reasonable request.
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johna
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There was a time when reference to a 47 foot boat did not quite fit the image of "Practical Boat Owner" and therefore to ask for views on such boats from Practical Boat Owners' would have drawn a blank. I am posing the question Is this still the case or do we now have a different breed of Practical Boat Owner? Any ideas on how many PBO readers own 47 foot boats?
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billmacfarlane
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Surely it's the same for YM readers ? Why do you think that PB readers have smaller boats than YM readers ?
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Ohdrat
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I have to admit that I always thought that YM was aimed at the posh end of the spectrum and PBO at the DIY end .. however SB has put paid to that quite obviously errorneous view! 
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bob_tyler
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I think the answer must be "sign of the times".
When we first launched PBO in 1967 there was an unwritten agreement between Denny and myself that the mag would concentrate on boats up to about 26 feet, power and sail and inland and seagoing. This was for both editorial and advertisement sales effort.
In the 18 years I was on the mag this measure gradually increased as the times changed. By the mid 80s it was noticeable that this size had increased by about 10 feet and really this has happened again up to date. Natural progression?
I have never been sure whether PBO set the trend or followed it? What I do know is that ever since issue No 1 PBO has sold far more copies each month than any other British yachting magazine. PBO was the first, and only one, to ever sell an average of over 50,000 per month over a 12 month ABC period.
I well remember the launch at the 1967 London Boat Show and how enthusiastically the mag was received by the general public. Halfway through the show we had to reprint the first issue to keep up with demand from the stand and for newsagents screaming for extra copies.
We had under-estimated demand. We had to almost double the initial print order and eventually sold over 80,000 of issue no 1. At that time Yachting Monthly was only selling under 20,000 per month.
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When we first launched PBO in 1967 there was an unwritten agreement between Denny and myself that the mag would concentrate on boats up to about 26 feet, power and sail and inland and seagoing. This was for both editorial and advertisement sales effort.
In the 18 years I was on the mag this measure gradually increased as the times changed. By the mid 80s it was noticeable that this size had increased by about 10 feet and really this has happened again up to date. Natural progression?
I have never been sure whether PBO set the trend or followed it? What I do know is that ever since issue No 1 PBO has sold far more copies each month than any other British yachting magazine. PBO was the first, and only one, to ever sell an average of over 50,000 per month over a 12 month ABC period.
I well remember the launch at the 1967 London Boat Show and how enthusiastically the mag was received by the general public. Halfway through the show we had to reprint the first issue to keep up with demand from the stand and for newsagents screaming for extra copies.
We had under-estimated demand. We had to almost double the initial print order and eventually sold over 80,000 of issue no 1. At that time Yachting Monthly was only selling under 20,000 per month.
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bob_tyler
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What is SB please? There was a magazine called Small Boat many years ago but it died.
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Nickel
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What you're reading.
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Being paranoid simply means - having all the facts.
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Being paranoid simply means - having all the facts.
Ohdrat
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Scuttlebutt..
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robind
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Isnt the real answer, that YM see themselves as the yacht owners magazine and PBO is for "aspirational boat owners" much the same a Motor boat and yachting is for owners and motor boat monthly is for the "aspirational" mobo owner, size never comes into it (they all say that dont they?)
Regards
Rob
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Rob
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alant
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Surely, it used to be on basis that 'PBO's were a bit 'Blue Peterish' & made their boats & things for them (out of plastic bottles & old car engines), whereas 'YW's went out & bought their ready mades off a shelf somewhere.
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bobnewbury
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What I really want...
is a magazine aimed specifically at me.
'Clueless Yottie' would convey the right sort of timbre.
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is a magazine aimed specifically at me.
'Clueless Yottie' would convey the right sort of timbre.
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Seems OK - but also seems incredible ...
Not so long ago a request for info on a Bav 47 or anything like that size would have created a wave of disbelief ......
Maybe it is a sign of the times that boat size is increasing for Tom Dick and Jezabel .... from the days of 22, 24, 26 etc.
I find it amazing that a person with the money to pay for a 47 should be asking such a bunch as us .... surely with that sort of dosh available there are many ways to arrive at a decision on it. OK - so now I'm going to be shot down in flames and maybe I deserve it .....
Final point - how many on the forums HAVE a Bav 47 to comment about ??
<hr width=100% size=1>Cheers Nigel http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gps-navigator/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/searider/
Not so long ago a request for info on a Bav 47 or anything like that size would have created a wave of disbelief ......
Maybe it is a sign of the times that boat size is increasing for Tom Dick and Jezabel .... from the days of 22, 24, 26 etc.
I find it amazing that a person with the money to pay for a 47 should be asking such a bunch as us .... surely with that sort of dosh available there are many ways to arrive at a decision on it. OK - so now I'm going to be shot down in flames and maybe I deserve it .....
Final point - how many on the forums HAVE a Bav 47 to comment about ??
<hr width=100% size=1>Cheers Nigel http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gps-navigator/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/searider/
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bob_tyler
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Sorry, I just didn't connect! Shows my venerable age - only thought of Small Boat when I saw SB.
There are so many abbreviations today that I just can't keep up.
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There are so many abbreviations today that I just can't keep up.
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I do not think boat size is the differentiating factor between YM and PBO these days, instead it is a different financial approach to boating. A PBO owner is less likely to solve problems with a cheque book and is more interested in fixing gear.
By implication YM readers probably clock up more sailing time and venture further afield, the cruising articles reflect this.
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By implication YM readers probably clock up more sailing time and venture further afield, the cruising articles reflect this.
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pragmatist
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There was a fun thread on the difference between the magazines recently - you'll have to search the threads. Personally (although I read PBO, YM, YW (well its fun to see what the rich do !) and ST (sorry IPC)) I still think that PBO is aimed at those who liked Blue Peter. All the wonderful things those imaginative and craft-orientated people do gob-smacks me wiv 2 left thumbs. By the time my winter canvas project is completed I expect them to be 2 holey thumbs !
But reverting to the size issue its rapid and to some degree area-based. We thought when we bought our 41 footer planning long term cruising we'd thought she was a huge boat. On the E Coast anything over 35 ft was almost unheard of. On our Dartmouth pontoon 7 yrs ago we were the only boat over 40ft. Now I would say that 50% are over 35ft and 30% over 40. And we're on the cheap moorings - don't even think what the prices of boats in the marinas are !
Is this down to the cost of mooring ? Exponential increases in costs mean that you have to be rich to go boating these days ? Our E Coast mooring in a nature reserve was £160 per year - needed your wellies though !
<hr width=100% size=1>a pragmatist is an optimist with a boat in the UK - but serious about not being in the UK !
But reverting to the size issue its rapid and to some degree area-based. We thought when we bought our 41 footer planning long term cruising we'd thought she was a huge boat. On the E Coast anything over 35 ft was almost unheard of. On our Dartmouth pontoon 7 yrs ago we were the only boat over 40ft. Now I would say that 50% are over 35ft and 30% over 40. And we're on the cheap moorings - don't even think what the prices of boats in the marinas are !
Is this down to the cost of mooring ? Exponential increases in costs mean that you have to be rich to go boating these days ? Our E Coast mooring in a nature reserve was £160 per year - needed your wellies though !
<hr width=100% size=1>a pragmatist is an optimist with a boat in the UK - but serious about not being in the UK !
sailorman
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does it have sails made from clear plastic sheeting c/w brass cringles
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kilkerr1
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If it's a request asking how to build your own Bav 47 from scratch then I reckon it fits in perfickly...
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Dave_Snelson
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I'd say "sign of the times" Bob. Where ever I go, boats are getting bigger and that goes for power or sail. Porthmadog and Pwllheli are just full of bigger and newer boats. Its a sign of personal affluence - a bit like saying "who owned a dishwasher on the 1960's".
Boating is also a good bellweather for the economy which is currently bouyant, although this only produces temporary peaks and troughs along the decades.
I remember Porthmadog harbour in the early 70's and apart from the physical shape of the place, you wouldn't recognise it. And that last sentence is even more marked with Pwllheli which has changed into an Olympic standard marina from a fishing port - and still has a waiting list.
Cheers.
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Boating is also a good bellweather for the economy which is currently bouyant, although this only produces temporary peaks and troughs along the decades.
I remember Porthmadog harbour in the early 70's and apart from the physical shape of the place, you wouldn't recognise it. And that last sentence is even more marked with Pwllheli which has changed into an Olympic standard marina from a fishing port - and still has a waiting list.
Cheers.
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Evadne
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"Boats are gettting bigger and bigger". That would be a good trick, mine's still the same size as when I bought her....
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