In praise of older boats?

Mirelle

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We see a lot of debate here about new boats. Maybe the old ones should be exiled to their own ghetto in "Classic Boat", but I thought I might just explain why some of us do bother with boats that need painting, don't go astern in marinas, don't have showers or Eberspachers and have amazingly little room in the cabin for their size.

Although a motor car from the 1930's can be taken out for runs and rallies in the summer months, no-one would use one for everyday transport. Since yachts are never everyday transport, this sort of argument does not make a perfect parallel, but an old boat does make a practical cruiser; she will do many things rather less well than a modern one, but there are a few things that she will do rather better.

Whether the boat is in good order, or not, depends on the owner; I should think almost everyone here will have had the experience of either crewing on, or buying, a newish boat where some things did not work. Indeed, if we are honest, it is quite unusual to make a long passage in a boat where everything works as intended. But there is no particular reason for an old boat to be less seaworthy than a new boat.

An old boat is somehow a more personal possession than a modern one.

It is very noticeable that many old boats have not changed hands for donkey's years; some even are passed down in families and are on their second, or even their third generation of owners.

Part of the fascination of such a boat is that you can slowly work out how to do things as well as possible, whether this is in the sailing of the boat, the stowing of provisions or in small alterations. In this way the boat and her owner(s) grow more like each other.

There is a tremendous satisfaction to be had by just sailing a little bit better, year after year, as one grows moe familiar with the boat. I have now become reasonably proficient at picking up a mooring buoy....but there is also satisfaction, and peace of mind, in knowing how she will do in the range of less good weather conditions that we get.

It often happens that owners of old boats are known by their boats; I was once treated to a long description of my own sailing style and habits, by a harbour master who knew my boat, but who had assumed, since she had changed colour during the winter, that I was a new owner! This is about as close as one can get to reading one's own obituary, I suppose.

There is pleasure to be had in mastering, or at any rate becoming reasonably competent at, the arts of the sailor in the days of sail - turning in a good splice or seizing, for example. In this way one's boat is a sort of time machine, taking one back to the days of Maurice Griffiths, or Claud Worth, or even Jack Aubrey.

An awful lot of people look at an old boat and say something like "Lovely, but I could not cope with all that maintenance," or words to such effect. The odd thing is that chandleries are full of what one might call "tidging up" products for modern production cruisers - glass fibre polishes, various gloops for prettying up teak decks, fender socks, and so on. The urge to fiddle with one's boat seems to be universal. I am not really sure that all that energy devoted to polishing gelcoat or scrubbing teak is as repaying as the same energy devoted to a coat of varnish, but maybe it is.

And as a working rule old boats are prettier - they look more like what we think a boat ought to look like.

Anyway, that, my lords, is the case for the defence.
 

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I couldn't agree more. My first love, many years ago, was built of wood. A sweeping sheer, round ports, gaff rig, canvas sails, hairy rope, and all the metal bits were galvanised steel, bought dirt cheap at any local ironmongers. Those were the days !

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Hello Ime a little unsure which camp im`e in .My boat is 12 years old 44ft long and weiging in at 11 tons i don`t think its a classic, but still I do not class myself as a modern light weight ?
cheers bob t

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Ahh yes ,I remember. The deck leak over my bunk. The horror of finding a soft spot, Engines that were a challenge to start and the joys of painting and varnishing.

The strange thing is,that were I retired so with more time on my hands I would happily go back to it.
 

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The case for the defence?

I didn't realise older boat owners felt so defensive or thought they had something to prove. This whole argument is terribly subjective. Some people obviously think that sailing is about self denial and others don't. So where is the issue?

Why is a piece of wood so much more intrinsically satisfying than a piece of composite. The material is itself irrelevant. Its entirely passive. Its what the human imagination - whether through the hand or a computer controlled design package - does with the material which counts. The end result can either be beautiful to the eye and perform superbly or be ugly as sin and a dog to sail and both old and modern boats fill that spectrum in its entirety.

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And what about the sailing experience?
After a few years of sailing cross channel and european waters in 58 foot, 25 tonnes of mahogany on oak I was amazed how uncomfortable a short trip in the Solent aboard a modern GRP yacht could be. It was dry and warm but couldn't compare with the old boat's feel.
 

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I think the problem we have with this point is we tend to talk about boats the same way we talk about cars; you yourself draw a simile with classic cars.
A more sensible comparison is surely with a house. Some like to live in a 16th Centaury thatched cottage, the equivalent of a classic wooden boat, others prefer a modern Barratts, home, of course it will not last as long, and is not as pretty, but it is probably more practicable in the short run.
Not sure where my boat falls though on this, a central group of solid GRP boats – 1950’s solid brick built house?
All Boats are a compromise
 

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Yes, I do find that that is one of the things that older boats do better! Something to do with hull form and with the sound and temperature insulation provided by a good thickness of wood. Slicing steadily through, rather than skittering over, the seas.
 

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I totally agree with you, and the same goes for old motor boats as well - plenty of varnishing and deck scrubbing , and the whole winter ahead to do those little modifications that make her just that little bit more user friendly. You just don't get that atmosphere or character on new boats, or the sense of history when you look at the blue book and wonder what her old owners would say. In fact many of them have stopped by to congratulate me on keeping the old girl going, and to wonder why they never got round to fitting a steadying sail or whatever.

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Re: Eloquently put...

You're making a very big assumption here which I don't think is true - that somehow owners of modern GRP boats are regarded by their owners as status symbols . Can't agree with that. Most of the owners I know , all with modern GRP designs , are proud of them , but not as status symbols , merely as boats they enjoy sailing.
 

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Certainly. There are some fabulous old motor boats about - most of them beautifully kept up, by devoted owners. The sheer comfort and style of a Silver Leaf or a Brown Owl, for instance, has to be experienced to be believed.
 

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Great post, but can't agree entirely with your romance for all thats old. For 10 years I sailed a wonderful Buchanan sloop, after that a gaff cutter of Claude Worth era, a MacGruer ketch, a Hillyard, then a Baltic Trader. Great boats possessed of a spirit. Bloody leaky and I wouldn't want to go back to any of them.

Call me a heathen but give me low-maintenance and SS over galvanised and hemp anyday.

Unles retired...aaaah there's a thought!
 

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That's not a fair comparison. Any 58 foot boat, old or new, is going to be more comfotable than the avarage white boat sailing round the Solent.

Whether we would like an old boat or not, there are not many of us here who could afford one that size, old or new. Small lightweight uncomfortable characterless margarine tubs are the best we'll ever get.
 
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Interesting...

how you compare old boats to old cars. I have a 35 year old MG which I use as an everyday car, which is OK in winter, but in summer (in Australia) can be a trifle warm, especially sitting in traffic. However, the car has been 90% fully restored so it looks terrific, is enjoyable to drive, and gets admiring comments.

Same with old boats. If they have been well looked after. and look as if they are being well maintained they will certainly get admiring looks. As you say, old boats look as if they were meant to be sailed, and look good on the water, but it's their presentation that makes them so. Just look at the boats featured in Classic Boat, and the majority of boats in Yachting Monthly.

As someone one said, if your boat looks good to you what else matters.
 

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If anyone is retired and thinking about getting a wooden boat they are welcome to practice by painting my one this winter to see if they like it. Edinburgh area.

My dad, who is retired appears to have given up painting wooden boats for his retirement and taken up fishing which is no use to me whatsoever.
 
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