IN in EU or OUT from EU

IN the EU or OUT

  • IN

    Votes: 275 50.8%
  • OUT

    Votes: 266 49.2%

  • Total voters
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So who is going to fill out and sign the Article 50 form and put it in the post to EU headquarters, and when are they going to do it?

David Cameron said that he'll leave it to the next prime minister who might take power in October. Boris Johnson said that "there is no need for haste".

An individual foolish enough to doubt the integrity of British politicians might begin to think that the whole thing is a charade, and that the strategy is to dillydally until some excuse can be found to say that the Brexit vote has been overcome by events and does not need to be implemented.
 

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I am horrified, despondent, depressed, gutted. This is not the country I know and love. My future has been changed irrevocably. It's a naive and foolish decision.

How can 39% of the electorate dominate - where's the democracy in that?
 

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I have a sensitive BS alarm system honed by years of handling distributors around the world for my Swiss multinational employer. It has been activated by Cameron's planned exit ... but not just yet; his assurance that Article 50 is not for him to invoke, but for his successor; Brexiter's assurances that Article 50 can be delayed, orderly exit in the UK's own time, despite the EU dignitaries who will be involved saying it should be started immediately, now, today, to end all the uncertainty. See where it is all leading?

This momentous change impacts not just on the UK, many others too who have woven their lives into EU-UK affairs - the net is wide and deep.

I suspect there is high chance that it will never happen. Fudge upon fudge upon fudge, ending with a handful of extra concessions to justify further procrastination and promises made to defer for a general election where Brexit will be on someone's manifesto - or not.

Cynical? Moi? Not really, I'm sincerely neutral and think that the majority have voted. Now JUST DO IT!
 

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It was a very convincing "Protest vote" which from what I see so far, people are regretting it already. Can you really take the country OUT on a marginal majority; this is not an election vote, this a referendum that will have an everlasting effect and you need a convincing majority and the full support of the people,

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You're right in saying that the result of Thursday's referendum can't be changed but there is no constitutional or legal reason why another can't be held. It isn't up to you!

One of the moans from you Brixiters is that our legislature has lost its authority. Well it hasn't. The doctrine of Parliamentary Sovereignty still applies and our Parliament can legislate on anything it likes, and they cannot bind their successors. If our Parliament decides we stay in the EU, then we stay.

Funny isn't it? If the Remain shower had won by 0.01% they wouldn't think it unfair to stay in and wouldn't contemplate another vote.

Looks like the Scots will have another vote for independence so we'll save a bit of money there and get rid of their MPs from Westminster:)
 

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Turns out that the EU wasn't the only show in town, maybe Brits are a bit more independent minded. Funny how it took a lot of people without a degree to realise that you can have a mind of your own...
 

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Nearly all of you in here overlook the significance of the obvious.
The obvious is that 70 years have passed since the end of the Second World War, a tumultuous event in modern history in which victory was achieved to attain freedom.
Now it seems many have not learnt the lesson and are content to give up their freedom in exchange for serfdom, the opposite.
 

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I have Greek friends who are laughing at the Brexit vote. They are calling it a "Tsipras" after the prime minister who officiated the notorious "Oxi" vote. The population voted for one thing, and the government ended up doing the opposite.
 

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I have Greek friends who are laughing at the Brexit vote. They are calling it a "Tsipras" after the prime minister who officiated the notorious "Oxi" vote. The population voted for one thing, and the government ended up doing the opposite.

The Greeks are in no position to laugh at anything.
They are prisoners of the EU oppressive beaurocratic regime.
If anything they ought to feel envy for a nation whose citizens are politically mature enough not to be deterred by menaces and boldly decide to determine their own destiny and future.
 

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The Greeks are in no position to laugh at anything.
They are prisoners of the EU oppressive beaurocratic regime.
If anything they ought to feel envy for a nation whose citizens are politically mature enough not to be deterred by menaces and boldly decide to determine their own destiny and future.

Quite so
 

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The Greeks are in no position to laugh at anything.
They are prisoners of the EU oppressive beaurocratic regime.
If anything they ought to feel envy for a nation whose citizens are politically mature enough not to be deterred by menaces and boldly decide to determine their own destiny and future.

The British government is presently taking no action to implement Brexit. Prime Minister Cameron has stated that he does not intend to initiate the process specified in Article 50 to exit the EU, and Boris Johnson now says "there is no need for haste".
 

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The British government is presently taking no action to implement Brexit. Prime Minister Cameron has stated that he does not intend to initiate the process specified in Article 50 to exit the EU, and Boris Johnson now says "there is no need for haste".

Quite right to. It is for the UK government to start the process - not the EU. there is nothing that sets a timetable for the start - only for what happens after the start.

One thing the EU does not like is dissent and this time they are not controlling events and they don't like it.
 

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Quite right to. It is for the UK government to start the process - not the EU. there is nothing that sets a timetable for the start - only for what happens after the start.

One thing the EU does not like is dissent and this time they are not controlling events and they don't like it.

So the British government is defying the EU by refusing to take action to initiate the process for leaving the EU. Is that the strategy?
 

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The most important aspect of the Brexit vote is for the British People to hold the government not only accountable but additionally honest in fulfilling the wishes of the electorate.
 

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So the British government is defying the EU by refusing to take action to initiate the process for leaving the EU. Is that the strategy?

The EU will try every dirty trick in the book and not in the book to try to overrule the wishes of the British Electorate and to try every stunt imaginable to enforce their undemocratic will upon a people wishing to be free and who have voted to do so under democratic expression.

They will play about with currency rates, they will try to manipulate the markets, they will blame any act of terrorism or alleged act of terrorism on mainland Europe as a consequence of Brexit, they will try everything to try to cower the British People to succumb to their plans.

This may include a plan to have a second referendum.....anything....anything at all in their desperate attempt to control.

That is why I say the British Public must ensure the government must be kept honest, and for it to fulfil the wishes of the people as expressed democratically in the referendum, and that it should be carried out with a minimum of delay.

That the Brexit vote won by a narrow margin is inconsequential.

That those who did not vote or submitted invalid votes and are now grumbling and complaining is of no merit whatsoever for a second referendum to be considered.

Nothing else suffices.
 

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The EU will try every dirty trick in the book and not in the book to try to overrule the wishes of the British Electorate and to try every stunt imaginable to enforce their undemocratic will upon a people wishing to be free and who have voted to do so under democratic expression.

They will play about with currency rates, they will try to manipulate the markets, they will blame any act of terrorism or alleged act of terrorism on mainland Europe as a consequence of Brexit, they will try everything to try to cower the British People to succumb to their plans.

This may include a plan to have a second referendum.....anything....anything at all in their desperate attempt to control.

That is why I say the British Public must ensure the government must be kept honest, and for it to fulfil the wishes of the people as expressed democratically in the referendum, and that it should be carried out with a minimum of delay.

That the Brexit vote won by a narrow margin is inconsequential.

That those who did not vote or submitted invalid votes and are now grumbling and complaining is of no merit whatsoever for a second referendum to be considered.

Nothing else suffices.
 

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The EU will try every dirty trick in the book and not in the book to try to overrule the wishes of the British Electorate and to try every stunt imaginable to enforce their undemocratic will upon a people wishing to be free and who have voted to do so under democratic expression.

They will play about with currency rates, they will try to manipulate the markets, they will blame any act of terrorism or alleged act of terrorism on mainland Europe as a consequence of Brexit, they will try everything to try to cower the British People to succumb to their plans.

This may include a plan to have a second referendum.....anything....anything at all in their desperate attempt to control.

That is why I say the British Public must ensure the government must be kept honest, and for it to fulfil the wishes of the people as expressed democratically in the referendum, and that it should be carried out with a minimum of delay.

That the Brexit vote won by a narrow margin is inconsequential.

That those who did not vote or submitted invalid votes and are now grumbling and complaining is of no merit whatsoever for a second referendum to be considered.

Nothing else suffices.

you're thinking too much...
 
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