Bobc
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That's news to me. No idea who you've been listening to.
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ianj99
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Carrot & stick - but where's the carrot?
Its a well known technique when you want to persuade - dangle the carrot and if its not enough, start waving the stick.
So it speaks volumes that the Remain side have no carrots, not one. Plenty of stick though, in the shape of project fear.
Nothing has been offered which might make staying in more appealing, probably because they all expected the leave side to lose the argument.
It will be interesting to see if the Remain side's tactics change in the coming days - will they find some carrots, not that they will change my mind - leaving is a no brainer.
Its a well known technique when you want to persuade - dangle the carrot and if its not enough, start waving the stick.
So it speaks volumes that the Remain side have no carrots, not one. Plenty of stick though, in the shape of project fear.
Nothing has been offered which might make staying in more appealing, probably because they all expected the leave side to lose the argument.
It will be interesting to see if the Remain side's tactics change in the coming days - will they find some carrots, not that they will change my mind - leaving is a no brainer.
Oldfellah
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Re: Carrot & stick - but where's the carrot?
What a load of tosh !
The fact is that the remain side of the campaign supported by the vast majority of economists, business's and now scientists have quite clearly stated the fears that we should all have about leaving the EEC. The leave campaign is based on their expectations that Europe will cave in and give us all sorts of concessions on trade without any of the constraints that other nations outside the Union have. That is all hot air that cannot be relied upon to happen. We will be left with a depreciating currency, a perpetual reliance on the rest of the EEC for business arrangements and will still have to toe the line on EEC regulations without the benefit of being able to influence them or veto them. For goodness sake stop looking at the fallacies of the leave campaign and start looking at the cold facts of the matter. The USA, Europe, The Experts (most anyway), the major business's and foreign investors all believe that to leave the EEC will be disastrous for the UK economy. Very nice to look forward to leaving and congratulating ourselves on being totally self sufficient and self regulating whilst jobs disappear, the economy goes to pot and immigration from outside the EEC continues to upset the apple cart. Happy days not !!
What a load of tosh !
The fact is that the remain side of the campaign supported by the vast majority of economists, business's and now scientists have quite clearly stated the fears that we should all have about leaving the EEC. The leave campaign is based on their expectations that Europe will cave in and give us all sorts of concessions on trade without any of the constraints that other nations outside the Union have. That is all hot air that cannot be relied upon to happen. We will be left with a depreciating currency, a perpetual reliance on the rest of the EEC for business arrangements and will still have to toe the line on EEC regulations without the benefit of being able to influence them or veto them. For goodness sake stop looking at the fallacies of the leave campaign and start looking at the cold facts of the matter. The USA, Europe, The Experts (most anyway), the major business's and foreign investors all believe that to leave the EEC will be disastrous for the UK economy. Very nice to look forward to leaving and congratulating ourselves on being totally self sufficient and self regulating whilst jobs disappear, the economy goes to pot and immigration from outside the EEC continues to upset the apple cart. Happy days not !!
RAI
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Re: Carrot & stick - but where's the carrot?
Brexiteer carrot: The UK will be wonderful when it is sovereign again.
Brexiteer stick: The UK will be swamped with immigrants when all 508 million EU citizens turn up, shortly followed by 80 odd million Turks.
Bremainer policy: How do we convince these losers that they should vote remain.
Bremainer carrot: This is as good as it gets, the system is getting better everyday.
Bremainer stick: Your standard of living will go down after Brexit.
Brexiteer policy: My mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts.
Brexiteer carrot: The UK will be wonderful when it is sovereign again.
Brexiteer stick: The UK will be swamped with immigrants when all 508 million EU citizens turn up, shortly followed by 80 odd million Turks.
Bremainer policy: How do we convince these losers that they should vote remain.
Bremainer carrot: This is as good as it gets, the system is getting better everyday.
Bremainer stick: Your standard of living will go down after Brexit.
Oldfellah
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Oldfellah
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Re: Carrot & stick - but where's the carrot?
Duplicated post, sorry.
Duplicated post, sorry.
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grumpy_o_g
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Re: Carrot & stick - but where's the carrot?
I should be impressed at your ability to not only know what tens of millions of people are thinking but to summarise in 6 lines. Unfortunately all it is is a rather typical and pathetic attempt to attack the person rather than actually contribute anything useful.
Ironically I know a few people who naturally defaulted to voting to remain who are now very seriously considering voting out simply because this is the type and, more importantly, the level of argument they see as predominating within the Remain supporters. It's a shame because they should able to make a decision based on something than inane comments. In fairness that comment applies to both camps but the patronising attitude does seem to predominate amongst remain supporters.
I bet you can't see the irony of the first line of your post...
I should be impressed at your ability to not only know what tens of millions of people are thinking but to summarise in 6 lines. Unfortunately all it is is a rather typical and pathetic attempt to attack the person rather than actually contribute anything useful.
Ironically I know a few people who naturally defaulted to voting to remain who are now very seriously considering voting out simply because this is the type and, more importantly, the level of argument they see as predominating within the Remain supporters. It's a shame because they should able to make a decision based on something than inane comments. In fairness that comment applies to both camps but the patronising attitude does seem to predominate amongst remain supporters.
I bet you can't see the irony of the first line of your post...
Daydream believer
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Re: Carrot & stick - but where's the carrot?
The country will vote to remain quite simply because it feels comfortable
The uk no longer has the entrepreneurial attitude it once had to go out & get things for its self
Unfortunately this is the slippery slope to slow decline along with the rest of western europe
But few can see it - or want to see it
It is a great pity that the exit camp have not really come forward with any real case for leaving other than immigration etc
They have failed to emphasise the issues on effects on companies & the honest points on sovreignty & trade etc
Nor have they managed to highlight issues across the eu that are currently being suppressed until after the referendum to avoid affecting our vote to stay
The country will vote to remain quite simply because it feels comfortable
The uk no longer has the entrepreneurial attitude it once had to go out & get things for its self
Unfortunately this is the slippery slope to slow decline along with the rest of western europe
But few can see it - or want to see it
It is a great pity that the exit camp have not really come forward with any real case for leaving other than immigration etc
They have failed to emphasise the issues on effects on companies & the honest points on sovreignty & trade etc
Nor have they managed to highlight issues across the eu that are currently being suppressed until after the referendum to avoid affecting our vote to stay
CAPTAIN FANTASTIC
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Re: Carrot & stick - but where's the carrot?
Investors are moving billions of pounds in assets out of British currency and assets ahead of the European Union referendum, new figures suggest.
Around £65bn left the UK or was converted into other currencies in March and April, the largest amount since the economic crash.
In the six months to the end of April, £77bn was pulled out of British pounds, compared to just £2bn in the six months to the end of last October. By the time of the referendum, the UK would have lost over £100 bn in money taken oversees, the £pound will loose 6% of its value and the UK plc has already lost 10% of its value. The damage to the UK markets will carry on for a few months after the referendum, even if the IN campaign wins.
Investors are moving billions of pounds in assets out of British currency and assets ahead of the European Union referendum, new figures suggest.
Around £65bn left the UK or was converted into other currencies in March and April, the largest amount since the economic crash.
In the six months to the end of April, £77bn was pulled out of British pounds, compared to just £2bn in the six months to the end of last October. By the time of the referendum, the UK would have lost over £100 bn in money taken oversees, the £pound will loose 6% of its value and the UK plc has already lost 10% of its value. The damage to the UK markets will carry on for a few months after the referendum, even if the IN campaign wins.
Koeketiene
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Re: Carrot & stick - but where's the carrot?
Talk about a self-inflicted wound.
Talk about a self-inflicted wound.
ianj99
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Re: Carrot & stick - but where's the carrot?
If money is all that concerns you, then fine. (ie you are a wealthy person with investments, and ex-pat)
The vast majority of UK citizens will suffer little in practical terms.
As only 12 % of UK companies export to the EU, the rest of the UK workforce will not be affected and probably not those working for the 12% either, as their employers will be free of EU restrictions so can negotiate with other countries and boost trade to compensate for the claimed drop in sales to the EU (actually unlikely in practice).
If the £ slumps, this helps boost exports, if house prices fall, also good - they are getting unaffordable (due to the demand some of which is from immigration).
If immigration is cut, this reduces the burden on the NHS, demands for social housing, and school place shortages.
Hopefully a few more business men like James Dyson will speak out against staying in.....
If money is all that concerns you, then fine. (ie you are a wealthy person with investments, and ex-pat)
The vast majority of UK citizens will suffer little in practical terms.
As only 12 % of UK companies export to the EU, the rest of the UK workforce will not be affected and probably not those working for the 12% either, as their employers will be free of EU restrictions so can negotiate with other countries and boost trade to compensate for the claimed drop in sales to the EU (actually unlikely in practice).
If the £ slumps, this helps boost exports, if house prices fall, also good - they are getting unaffordable (due to the demand some of which is from immigration).
If immigration is cut, this reduces the burden on the NHS, demands for social housing, and school place shortages.
Hopefully a few more business men like James Dyson will speak out against staying in.....
ianj99
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Re: Carrot & stick - but where's the carrot?
+1 We can only hope they are keeping their ammunition dry until next week.
+1 We can only hope they are keeping their ammunition dry until next week.
Niander
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Re: Carrot & stick - but where's the carrot?
The country will vote to get out and people certainly are not comfortable with the immigration absolutely not and it will only get worse the more countrys that join...especially as they are poor with not much to offer ,exactly why they are so desperate to get in...but this would only be bad for the UK...Don't be so sure remain will win ...they wont because we've had enough and want the hell out!
The country will vote to get out and people certainly are not comfortable with the immigration absolutely not and it will only get worse the more countrys that join...especially as they are poor with not much to offer ,exactly why they are so desperate to get in...but this would only be bad for the UK...Don't be so sure remain will win ...they wont because we've had enough and want the hell out!
scubajohn
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Re: Carrot & stick - but where's the carrot?
i must post. the goverment has brought in the big guns at the tax payers expense (inc the president of the united states) telling us if we leave were doomed higher tax less benifits for the unemployed etc Cmon councils cannot cope with housing the homeless, yet the goverment can home thousand of immagrants ? the N,H.S they hardly cope ,its time to get our house in order then we can help others
i must post. the goverment has brought in the big guns at the tax payers expense (inc the president of the united states) telling us if we leave were doomed higher tax less benifits for the unemployed etc Cmon councils cannot cope with housing the homeless, yet the goverment can home thousand of immagrants ? the N,H.S they hardly cope ,its time to get our house in order then we can help others
Daydream believer
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Re: Carrot & stick - but where's the carrot?
That is just standard currency speculation that goes on all the time
When a currency is high buy a cheaper one then swop back when it changes
Been going on for years
Do you not remember black friday?
That is just standard currency speculation that goes on all the time
When a currency is high buy a cheaper one then swop back when it changes
Been going on for years
Do you not remember black friday?
RAI
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Re: Carrot & stick - but where's the carrot?
If a Brexiteer loses and we stay in, he's a loser. If he wins, all of us lose (according to most all the (now denigrated) experts), so he becomes a loser too.
I didn't click did it.
If a Brexiteer loses and we stay in, he's a loser. If he wins, all of us lose (according to most all the (now denigrated) experts), so he becomes a loser too.
RAI
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Re: Carrot & stick - but where's the carrot?
What happened then?
Heard that before: "the pound in your pocket", or something, Harold Wilson was it?
What happened then?
dom
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Re: Carrot & stick - but where's the carrot?
All true; in addition the premise behind these numbers is basically nonsense. In the financial markets every transaction must definitionally be comprised of a buyer and a seller.
So we can be sure that the sellers of that £77bn were precisely matched by buyers ...down to the very last penny!
All true; in addition the premise behind these numbers is basically nonsense. In the financial markets every transaction must definitionally be comprised of a buyer and a seller.
So we can be sure that the sellers of that £77bn were precisely matched by buyers ...down to the very last penny!
Daydream believer
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Re: Carrot & stick - but where's the carrot?
Not quite. Think of treackle flowing through a pipe. A bit sticks to the sides . That is the bit the banks get to lick. Hopefully it is our banks that get to do the licking - whether you like them or not it is better that it is a uk banker than a german one!!
Not quite. Think of treackle flowing through a pipe. A bit sticks to the sides . That is the bit the banks get to lick. Hopefully it is our banks that get to do the licking - whether you like them or not it is better that it is a uk banker than a german one!!
dom
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Re: Carrot & stick - but where's the carrot?
Yep, if you want to be really precise it's £77bn minus friction costs and it is those friction costs that fund much of the city: Barclays, Deutsche Bank, BNP, Citi, the lot!
Yep, if you want to be really precise it's £77bn minus friction costs and it is those friction costs that fund much of the city: Barclays, Deutsche Bank, BNP, Citi, the lot!
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