Important announcement: The CB forum is moving

[Ubergeekian]

IPC Media sold the magazine Classic Boat and the associated Classic Boat website and forum content to Chelsea Publishing late last year. Chelsea Publishing now own all Classic Boat trademarks, content and associated data including forum names and email addresses of people who have posted to the Classic Boat forum.

That would appear to be in direct contradiction of the IPC Privacy Policy which I quoted earlier. It may, as has been pointed out, have IP implications as well - I don't remember assigning IPC rights to sell my Ip to a third party, although I did give them rights to use it themselves.

 

[Rum_Pirate]

So is all this a prelude to a compensation claim payout?

 

[Lakesailor]

No. It will cause IPC to throw their hands up in horror and close down all the forums as they are just too much trouble to administer. We don't know what Natalie's remit is as administrator, but being as we never hear from her perhaps she is tasked with a viability study and sends Richard onto the front line.

I don't post anything on these forums that I am not prepared to be seen anywhere else. Frankly enough website owners already have far more info about me than IPC do.

It is time that people started to get real about the internetworkweb. If you treasure every utterance as a work of art and want the protection of the CDPA 1988, then maybe forums aren't the place for you.

And if you fancy a civil prosecution maybe you should be watching the BBC 1 series "See You In Court". Eye watering costs are the order of the day.

 

[BrendanS]

Oh don't spoil it. The hysterical children are amusing to watch. There is bugger all info on us stored in ybw servers in terms of actual user info, and nothing you can't find elsewhere...what we post about ourselves gives far more away, as I've demonstrated a few times over the years, mainly to people that say they haven't posted anything that would identify them. I used to send them a pm with their full name, date of birth, wifes name and date of birth, names of children, where they worked etc.
Normally caused an instant change of mind about what they had posted.

 

[Madhatter]

My rattle throwing is nothing to do with my utterances or even my details, it just the piss taking by large corporations like IPC who insist that we sign some sort of agreement before we can join, bring us to task when we breach those rules and yet flaunt the laws of privacy -even their own.And to cap it all sell it to a third party without any consent ( their rules not mine).
Basically how would you like to be bombarded with porn site spam (as lakesailer must be already )or even have "kiddyporn " content on your hard drive THAT WOULD MAKE YOU SIT UP AND LOOK WOULDN'T IT !!!

All they had to do was ask.( yes I would have refused , maybe I would have gone to the other site and signed up , there again maybe not --MY CHOICE ).

Secondly there is such a thing as "profiling " whereas an organisation does nothing else but collect data on you (by what ever means) in order to either target advertising or worse to defraud using YOUR profile.
Organisations like Google read your mail in order to personalise their advertising, they also collect data on you by loading cookies onto your hard drive in order to collect further data on you.
And on and on etc etc, So every chance you get you must stem this flow of data before it gets so far out of hand it will be too late.

 

[Rum_Pirate]

Secondly there is such a thing as "profiling " whereas an organisation does nothing else but collect data on you (by what ever means) in order to either target advertising or worse to defraud using YOUR profile.
Organisations like Google read your mail in order to personalise their advertising, they also collect data on you by loading cookies onto your hard drive in order to collect further data on you.

My is fairly informative. I think you would get more from my individual posts.

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[Madhatter]

quote:-"It is time that people started to get real about the internetworkweb. "

The majority who think they know the internet DON'T, there is a huge case of naivety around whereas people think they know the net but in fact don't realise the total power and its capabilities or at least its near future capabilities "Big brother" is here and is watching, and watching closer and closer as time and technology progresses. Every single thing you do on the net or electronically is logged and stored all it takes is the right software and this is available to do what ever you want with it.

 

[Ubergeekian]

Your will be able to use this forum as if nothing has happened and I can only assume that you will have to once more register for their forum to gain access should you wish.

Whether you use their forum or ours is your choice as you will still retain you full log in details to ybw.com and in fairness unless you read this thread you will probably not notice any difference apart from this area (Classics) of the forum closing down.

 

[photodog]

It is time that people started to get real about the internetworkweb. If you treasure every utterance as a work of art and want the protection of the CDPA 1988, then maybe forums aren't the place for you.

And if you fancy a civil prosecution maybe you should be watching the BBC 1 series "See You In Court". Eye watering costs are the order of the day.

Oh don't spoil it. The hysterical children are amusing to watch.

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialist
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me




You guys both work in IP, you know the issues. If we dont object when these fundamental rights are being eroded then we deserve all we get.


You both have profited from these laws. Shame.

 

[prv]

You guys both work in IP, you know the issues.

I have to care about IP issues in my work too, although it's not directly my job to address them. Most of this thread is, frankly, ignorant hysteria, but there is a genuine issue at the core of it. It's not in practice a serious one, it's not going to affect anybody's daily life, but ultimately the proposed plan seems to involve transferring copyright material without having the right to do so, and it's as well to ensure that that gets properly looked into. Far smaller issues than this regularly absorb a great deal of time and effort in my workplace.

Pete

 

[AntarcticPilot]

I have to care about IP issues in my work too, although it's not directly my job to address them. Most of this thread is, frankly, ignorant hysteria, but there is a genuine issue at the core of it. It's not in practice a serious one, it's not going to affect anybody's daily life, but ultimately the proposed plan seems to involve transferring copyright material without having the right to do so, and it's as well to ensure that that gets properly looked into. Far smaller issues than this regularly absorb a great deal of time and effort in my workplace.

Pete

I too deal with IP issues at work; again not as the ultimate arbiter, but I know the practicalities.

What most people don't realize is that EVERYTHING you originate is copyright - the word makes it clear it is a right, not something you have to claim or ask for. This post is copyright; as is every post I've ever made on every forum I've ever been a member of (back into the 1990s or even earlier; I was a member of GROGGS on the internal Cambridge University system in the 1980s!). I choose not to enforce my copyright - it would probably be stupid to do so - but the copyright exists; it cannot NOT exist.

Now, in many situations, copyright is automatically transferred. If I originate something as part of my work, the copyright is automatically transferred to my employers; this is a normal part of the agreement between employer and employee. The T&Cs of this forum don't appear to have such a clause, so the copyright still resides with the originator - though you do grant IPC a non-exclusive license to use the copyright material.

I would agree with those who suggest that the T&Cs do NOT appear to allow for the transfer of material from the forums run by IPC to the forums run by another organization, no matter how worthy. To do so would SEEM (IANL!!!!!) to require individual permission from each and every contributor; this may not be possible (through death, disinterest or long term absence) in every case.

A caveat - what I have said is more or less true in the UK. It may well NOT be true in other jurisdictions, especially those where copyright may NOT exist. In the UK, the term "public domain" in this area has little meaning; as I say, copyright cannot NOT exist; the nearest we come to "public domain" would be to state publicly that you will not enforce your rights under copyright law. But in the USA (and other places), you may explicitly place something in the public domain and by doing so, you effectively abolish your copyright rights.

Second caveat - this assumes that all the material we are talking about is less than 70 years old, or was originated less than 70 years after the death of the author!

I AM NOT A LAWYER!!!!!!

But on the seminar on copyright law I went to, it was made clear that the only people who usually walk away from copyright disputes smiling are the lawyers!

 

[prv]

In the UK, the term "public domain" in this area has little meaning; as I say, copyright cannot NOT exist; the nearest we come to "public domain" would be to state publicly that you will not enforce your rights under copyright law.

At risk of drifting the thread somewhat, that's interesting to read. I knew such countries existed (licenses I deal with have clauses to cope with them) but I didn't realise the UK was such a country. Working for an American company, we inevitably tend to treat US practice as the default and then worry about the divergences.

Pete

 

[AntarcticPilot]

At risk of drifting the thread somewhat, that's interesting to read. I knew such countries existed (licenses I deal with have clauses to cope with them) but I didn't realise the UK was such a country. Working for an American company, we inevitably tend to treat US practice as the default and then worry about the divergences.

Pete

Regrettably, the USA diverges from the ROTW most of all about copyright; it only fairly recently became a signatory to the Berne Convention, ISTR.

One thing worth noting is that the UK has one of the loosest definitions of what may be copyright - it is called the "sweat of the brow" test. What that means is that anything that took some effort to produce is copyright - even if it is just compiling a list. If I go through the telephone book and pick out everyone whose forename is Paul, then that is copyright. Most other jurisdictions require some level of originality, but the UK does not.

 

[FistralG]

How do you know the forum hasn't moved already?

The Classics Forum could be hosted on a server on Mars for all we know! Its a virtual Forum so could behosted anywhere and accessed through any portal on the Internet. For those of you that are worried about privacy issues you shouldn't be on the Internet as anyone with the knowledge can work out exactly where you are when you are on line.
To remain anonymous one has to "drop off the grid", = no internet, no phone, no permanent place of residence, no bank account, utilities, credit debt cards or job (other than casual cash in hand labour).

I don't get over to the Classics forum very often...I didn't realise how exciting it can get over here.

 

[Sandyman]

So how long before they flog off the other forums to make a quick buck ?

This seems to me to be all about buying ''bums on seats'' to advertise to.

Ethically it stinks. But who cares about that if its making a buck ??

 

[Lakesailor]

Please.
If you are running a business with several arms and one is making less money than you would like, but you could sell it and get cash now that is what you will do.
If the buyer wants domain names, subscription lists etc you'll factor that in
The subscriber (in this case) is subscribing to Classic Boat. Not to IPC, that is why only Classic Boat drops through the letterbox.
Taking that a stage further part of the advertising revenue (which all publishers need and on-line revenue these days is part of the business mode)l is to have a forum to provide readers for the ads.
It's quite reasonable for the buyer to want the forum and the users details.
If you posted on Classic Boat you were addressing your comments to other Classic Boat forumites. The owner of the forum is the magazine publisher. If the magazine and forum is sold the new owner needs those details to continue servicing the advertisers. If you choose not to follow the forum over there that is up to you.

The only gripe I can see is the terms you registered with the forum under . Your agreement was with IPC at the time.
Do we really have anyone prepared to take legal action to protect their posts against being seen on an open forum by people other than IPC registered users.
It always has been the case. Any post in the open forums will come up in a google search, so the audience is literally World-Wide.

Technically the copyright is yours. You have licensed reproduction rights in the instance of the Classic Boat forum, in the form of IPC.
To argue that that licence does not extend to the new owners may take some time in court, and even if you could win the case it is very unlikely indeed that there would be any punitive damages, as no financial loss has occurred and costs would certainly be left with each party.
As has been said already, the lawyer would be the only winners.

Again I say if you don't want it spread around the web, don't put it there. The genie will get out of the bottle and no amount of solicitor's letters will put it back.

 

[Sixpence]

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[Madhatter]

Must admit it would be more helpful if the OP had replied himself, as he/she has looked in since first posting, but then, maybe they think too little of those on here to care ?
This post is the Intellectual Property of the OP Copyright Sixpence 2005 © Rights Reserved

 

[Lakesailor]

My rattle throwing is nothing to do with my utterances or even my details how would you like to be bombarded with porn site spam (as lakesailer must be already )

Do you know. There's a thing.
All I get is barristers from Nigeria, invitations to steam railways, various events, contract hire cars, Dell computers, etc etc.
I did get a 4" more willy spam message the other day.
Mind you I do seem to get about 40 spam messages a day. UK2.net is my provider and the spam filtering doesn't seem very pro-active, even if I mark items as spam.

Latest spam

 

[Captain Coochie]