Important announcement: The CB forum is moving

[old_salt]

Think about it. If the new owners have bought the rights to the forum that may include the existing search engine awareness that the forum has. Someone Googling classic boat issues will be given the YBW page. So there may be a redirect to the new Classic Boat forum. In that case the old forum can't really sit on here. IPC would be pinching visitor traffic that Classic Boat have paid for.

You can go and look at it on it's new servers (which may be faster) so what is the big deal. In fact YBW is so slow that it may be an idea to move the whole lot.

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The legal rights to the forum don't particularly bother me.
I am not particularly happy with them transferring all my personal (User CP) info along with my dribbling to a place without my consent, but then I suppose it's like writing the first issue of a book and then years later someone comes along and updates it and writes a new one under a new publisher.
The new Magazine forum has the old name of "The Classic Boat Forum" which a google search should bring up.
It brings up the new web site of "Classic boat" but there is no mention of any forum on there?.
A search for "Classics Forum", the new YBW should bring you here, which it dose.
Now where is the new "Classic Boat Forum" you talk of, I can only find a load of dribble on an opening page to Facebook.
With the request to join Facebook which it seems many on here don't want to do.
As long as YBW can keep all the previous posts as they are on here under their new name, then the new mag can do as they wish with the mag and its new forum.
I think I am right in they will obversely have to abide by the law on the protection of personal data.

 

[mikefleetwood]

As has been said before - they don't hold any "personal" information about users, except email adresses and login details in addition to anything you may have in your public profile. All of which will be used solely to generate a user profile and login in the new forum identical to the one you use in this forum. The same privacy "click" options will exist in the new forum, presumably with the same settings as you used in this one. You will, of course, be able to login to the new forum and cancel your membership just like (I assume) you can do with this one.

You won't be able to find the new forum yet, as it doesn't exist until they trasnfer this one.

Unfortunately, historical posts in "Classics" will be transferred to the new forum, and won't be here any more. That, I'm afraid, is the deal, and there's nothing you or I can do about it.

 

[old_salt]

As has been said before - they don't hold any "personal" information about users, except email adresses and login details in addition to anything you may have in your public profile. All of which will be used solely to generate a user profile and login in the new forum identical to the one you use in this forum. The same privacy "click" options will exist in the new forum, presumably with the same settings as you used in this one. You will, of course, be able to login to the new forum and cancel your membership just like (I assume) you can do with this one.

You won't be able to find the new forum yet, as it doesn't exist until they trasnfer this one.

Unfortunately, historical posts in "Classics" will be transferred to the new forum, and won't be here any more. That, I'm afraid, is the deal, and there's nothing you or I can do about it.

You won't be able to find the new forum yet, as it doesn't exist until they trasnfer this one.

Thanks Mike.
Now that explains it a bit.
Will we be notified when the new forum proper IS open to look at and be able to make up our minds if we wish to stay and use it or be able to remove any of our past posts and leave.
Will a link be made available on YBW.

 

[mikefleetwood]

I don't really know, as I'm just an ordinary member, like you, with no inside information and no connection with anyone directly involved.

I expect we will be told when the transfer actually happens. It would be courtesy to include a link to the moved forum, but I wouldn't hold your breath. I'm not sure what options exist to edit or delete old posts - I've never looked, but maybe someone else will be able to tell us. I think "they" have said that you will have the option to opt out of the new forum, but I don't know how that will work

 

[old_salt]

At the moment you can go back to day one and delete if you wish.
Well edit out.

 

[fergie_mac66]

As has been said before - they don't hold any "personal" information about users, except email adresses and login details in addition to anything you may have in your public profile. All of which will be used solely to generate a user profile and login in the new forum identical to the one you use in this forum. The same privacy "click" options will exist in the new forum, presumably with the same settings as you used in this one. You will, of course, be able to login to the new forum and cancel your membership just like (I assume) you can do with this one.

You won't be able to find the new forum yet, as it doesn't exist until they trasnfer this one.

Unfortunately, historical posts in "Classics" will be transferred to the new forum, and won't be here any more. That, I'm afraid, is the deal, and there's nothing you or I can do about it.

Guess they will have ip addresses aswell, plus any tracker info??which I guess wont be passed on. Thats just me speculating

 

[mikefleetwood]

Guess they will have ip addresses aswell, plus any tracker info??which I guess wont be passed on. Thats just me speculating

I don't know too much about the nuts and bolts, but I think that most connections don't have permanent IP addresses - each ISP has a block that they allocate as needed. The actual linkages being held on a name server somewhere (nothing to do with IPC). The only "tracker" info that I can think of is "cookies", which live in your own PC - they are easy to get rid of as IE properties has n option to delete them - don't blame me if you need to remember all your logins and passwords afterwards, though.

None of these are any use to anyone else, they are just part of the mechanisms that the internet uses to function.

Actually, I think broadband connections keep the same ip for as long as they stay connected.

 

[rjp]

I fully concur with those who feel outraged by the dastardly and underhanded transfer of personal data/copyright material by IPC without consent. If they have received money for this when can we expect to receive our share???

Like many others I will not be subscribing to the new forum and suggest that we can make future posts to the PBO forum once the Classic forum on here ceases to exist. While it may be slightly less convenient for some, it would seem to be fully within the ethos of PBO and might even prove enlightening to those PBO forum readers who have not for whatever reason ventured into the realms of this forum. Who knows, given time, we might even persuade IPC to set up a suitable new forum (not holding breath on this though).

 

[Lakesailor]

If they have received money for this when can we expect to receive our share???

What?

IPC are selling a magazine and associated revenue streams. What on earth makes you think that you are entitled to any of the profits?

Do you get a commission cheque from IPC for your contributions to the forums?
Of course not. You contribute and read the forums for your own pleasure.

IPC run the forums to earn money from the advertising on the forums. It costs money to run the forums. They are not doing it for fun.

 

[Colvic Watson]

Reading this thread I have an unfortunate mental image of a group of middle aged men with their knickers in a right old twist

 

[rjp]

What?

IPC are selling a magazine and associated revenue streams. What on earth makes you think that you are entitled to any of the profits?

Do you get a commission cheque from IPC for your contributions to the forums?
Of course not. You contribute and read the forums for your own pleasure.

IPC run the forums to earn money from the advertising on the forums. It costs money to run the forums. They are not doing it for fun.

One word answer - copyright.

 

[monkey_trousers]

blimey, don't log in for a few days and the world's gone mad!

As a little aside, strikes me someone hasn't thought through the google implications of this at all

I stuck a post on the end of http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=270008

 

[Lakesailor]

One word answer - copyright.

That is not an answer. What do you propose to do about copyright. Go to court?

Have you formally licenced reproduction rights to IPC? Are you denying those rights to Classic Boat, although IPC have transferred ownership of the magazine and forum.

It's technically, possibly, enforceable.

I await the first court case with bated breath.

It will signal the loss of a shed-load of money for some copyright warrior.


What a storm in a teacup. Why are you all so incensed?
Get real. Be pragmatic. Why don't you want to follow the relocated forum.

Just because you weren't asked?

Get over yourselves.

 

[Captain Coochie]

Lakey , would you be happy with me using your images and text to build my own photography website ? Everything would just be from the web of course .

 

[Madhatter]

LS how would you like your home address put on public view ?? maybe you are happy with it , I'm not

 

[Lakesailor]

LS how would you like your home address put on public view ?? maybe you are happy with it , I'm not

Have you given IPC your home address?

You must be the only person who has.

If that is the case, I give up.

 

[Lakesailor]

Lakey , would you be happy with me using your images and text to build my own photography website ? Everything would just be from the web of course .

What on earth are you on about?
The stuff I post, and you, is on the World Wide Web.
You may think you own it and the CDPA may say you own all the rights in it, but in Brazil some bloke called Manual is making a mint from the website he has created using our pics.

Wake up. This is the 21st Century.

Only post stuff that you can accept you will lose control of. Use the Creative Commons licence to try and make people act responsibly, but don't bring the devastation of civilisation as we know it down on the neck of IPC and Chelsea Publishing.

I've am astonished at the wingeing going on on this thread.

 

[Madhatter]

Have you given IPC your home address?

You must be the only person who has.

If that is the case, I give up.

My point is that with a little info from -say here your home address and phone number could be obtained in seconds , simples
Given more time more in depth info could be obtained and with the right software everything you type could be recorded.

 

[mikefleetwood]

Your logic is impeccable - and this same information is not to be found in the YBW forums?

 

[Madhatter]

Your logic is impeccable - and this same information is not to be found in the YBW forums?

My point being is by using 1 bit of info from this site and with no effort you can start to build a profile on an individual and the more info you collect the easier it is to obtain more, ending up with a full dossier on said individual.
So the more exposure you have on the net the more chances there is of being targeted.
The other point is that IPC breaking its own privacy rules/statement and getting away with it is just the thin end of the wedge (The thin end of the wedge is something small and seemingly unimportant that will lead to something much bigger and more serious.)
More to follow !!