ICC - not so international

[Sandy]

I will agree with you if chartering abroad. How about if you are in your own boat on a world tour.

That is a totally different kettle of fish.

I originally misread the sentence as 'catering', which is far more fun.

 

[steve yates]

The point is that the ICC is NOT on the "MCA scheme" if by that you mean the RYA qualifications that meet the MCA requirements. The ICC is UN and issued by governments to qualified persons. In this case it was Canadian based on completion of a third party (IYT) course and assessment. The RYA has a similar assessment for the ICC that is not part of the MCA scheme. That is the route I took for the ICC because like the OP I had only the theory certificate, not the practical so I don't have a Day Skipper, just an ICC

Not really, the point is that the op rang up the rya and asked them of they could renew the icc and was told yes if you join is. He joined them, to find out that they actually could not ( or would not). The ONLYreason he joined was for that purpose, so its quite understandable to ask for a refund, as he was misinformed.
And then he made us aware that the rya will only issue an icc based on rya qualifications, which I for one did not know and is useful knowledge to tuck away.

 

[dunedin]

Not really, the point is that the op rang up the rya and asked them of they could renew the icc and was told yes if you join is. He joined them, to find out that they actually could not ( or would not). The ONLYreason he joined was for that purpose, so its quite understandable to ask for a refund, as he was misinformed.
And then he made us aware that the rya will only issue an icc based on rya qualifications, which I for one did not know and is useful knowledge to tuck away.

Not sure your final sentence is true.
What the RYA appears to have said is that it cannot RENEW an ICC Certificate that was issued by another country - or at least of another country that is not even a signatory to the ICC scheme in the first place! That seems pretty reasonable to me.

For them to issue a new ICC you don’t need to have any existing RYA qualifications, just need to pass an ICC assessment (the route I took). Clearly having existing RYA qualification makes even easier.

 

[Uricanejack]

Slightly bizarre how the OP has an ICC issued by a country that has not adopted the ICC! Might have been a bit of a warning flag doing a test in Croatia but being issued a certificate from a separate country thousands of miles away that has not adopted the ICC.
I can also see how the RYA might be a little sceptical about issuing a UK ICC in the circumstances. On our first Croatian charter we were told to bring two passport photos, and hand in to the flotilla office on arrival. After the welcome reception, we were all handed out pretty bits of paper in posh envelopes that were apparently our VHF and skippers competence certificates!
The only “test” apparently being able to supply a photo and find the right bar.

It is isn’t it.

I looked the IYT up. They offer all sorts of courses. MCA approved all the way up to Master of Yachts 200t, I think even 500,
schools all over Europe and Caribbean.
They do offer a British ICC but can’t offer a Canadian ICC because Canada doesn’t do them.
The other funny thing is they don’t appear to offer any official Canadian Certificates.
Not even the PBOC, or I missed it on the website.
I expect the RYA has a bit of a huff with them and won’t issue a renewal but they appear to be on the up and up with the MCA.

The other odd thing if I recommend a Canadian School for commercial certification the ones I would recommend are not on the list.
I think their business model, is based entirely on the MCA.

 

[Uricanejack]

It seems to me that the RYA can't issue an ICC because you are not qualified to recieve one. You just need to do the Day Skipper practical course.

There is a difference between can’t and won’t. it’s not clear which is the reason.
I admit I wouldn’t expect the RYA to renew a certificate the RYA did not issue. It might just be the RYA not being able to access a record of the original.
The OP has an ICC which has expired. He is qualified to receive a CPE or renewal. Provided he has met all other requirements for renewal. There is no need for him to take a Day Skipper Practical course again. All he needs is to contact the right people to get his renewal.

In any case the RYA website does say you get a free ICC with your RYA membership if you have an RYA Day Skipper.
So I do believe the OP has a reasonable point being less than happy with the assistance he is not getting from the RYA.

The IYT still exists and can presumably issue renewals. What the fee is?

 

[AntarcticPilot]

Perhaps it is worth noting that while FORMAL acceptance of the ICC is relatively limited, it is accepted as evidence of competence informally much more widely.

 

[finestgreen]

The other funny thing is they don’t appear to offer any official Canadian Certificates.
Not even the PBOC, or I missed it on the website.
I expect the RYA has a bit of a huff with them and won’t issue a renewal but they appear to be on the up and up with the MCA.

There's this:

The 24M ICC is also recognised by Transport Canada so that holders of the 24M ICC (Canadian Edition) will not require a Pleasure Craft Operator Card (PCOC) to operate a pleasure boat in Canada, provided the section on “Canadian Boating Requirements” has been completed. Holders of a current IYT 24M ICC can “upgrade” to the Canadian Edition by completing a short course and examination.

International Certificate of Competency (ICC Certificate) - IYT Worldwide

 

[jordanbasset]

My ICC was done through Activity Yachting (recommended) who provided a UK MCA verified ICC through a Canadian operator.

Bearing in mind the hassle and extra expense of getting your ICC renewed would you still recommend them?

 

[GHA]

This took about a minute to find. Much quicker than an unreliable phone call.


https://assetbank-eu-west-1.s3.eu-w...ff7f2333dfd1fb7ee08d81aa76dd32bb9cc9152413aab

 

[bill bligh]

That is a totally different kettle of fish.

I originally misread the sentence as 'catering', which is far more fun.

? A very foody answer

 

[ylop]

Well I thought it was quite clear that this post was a heads up for those whose ICC was not issued by the RYA despite what they may inform you.

Personally I'd have picked a different title - perhaps "Beware RYA cannot renew IYT issued ICCs". In fairness to the RYA, if your conversation with them was as vague as your opening post its not surprising that you were misled. Have they agreed to refund your membership?

 

[glynd]

In any case the RYA website does say you get a free ICC with your RYA membership if you have an RYA Day Skipper.
So I do believe the OP has a reasonable point being less than happy with the assistance he is not getting from the RYA.

yeah, they only issue ICC on Day Skipper practical - not theory

 

[shan]

Well I thought it was quite clear that this post was a heads up for those whose ICC was not issued by the RYA despite what they may inform you. Having been on here for over a decade I didn't realise that I had to write in a certain way with certain information to keep people happy nor have I have ever been called a troll. I hope that my posts over the last 10 or so years are helpful as that is the intention.

Thank you to @Black Sheep who summarised my points perfectly.

Anyway I'm giving this place a rest for a while as clearly I'm not up to the job of posting articulately enough on here!!

Ignore them! Some people on here could start an argument with their own reflection. They don't get out enough.