JamesFrance
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All I can find with US Google is this:
http://www.iytworld.com/recreational.aspx?id=103
It seems to be for Brits though.
http://www.iytworld.com/recreational.aspx?id=103
It seems to be for Brits though.
ICC is it really needed in the Med?
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jimbaerselman
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skippers had been ordered by the coastguard to stay in port until they could produce a "captain's licence".
[/ QUOTE ] Interesting report, and exactly the 'ultimate sanction' I would have expected: in other words, gross inconvenience until a certificate (of some form) is produced.
skippers had been ordered by the coastguard to stay in port until they could produce a "captain's licence".
[/ QUOTE ] Interesting report, and exactly the 'ultimate sanction' I would have expected: in other words, gross inconvenience until a certificate (of some form) is produced.
Refueler
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Do any other countries issue the ICC, or is it only for the British to use to satisfy officials in places which require their own people to pass tests?
I cannot find references on the internet which do not lead to the RYA, which seems to have a monopoly. Maybe it is called something else in other languages?
Is it just that foreign civil servants are used to being handed the ICC by UK residents, rather than it having any actual international status?
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The ICC is UK wording, design to agree with UN Resolution 40. All signatories to UN Resolution 40 issue their version of the Certificate required to comply. There is also the older Resolution 14 which some still adhere to.
I've seen versions that are form of a credit card in size and design - in fact a modification of the Driving Licence it appears !
The usual give-away to it being as per Resolution 40 (other than it should say so on it ! ) is the languages stated on it - these are required languages by the Resolution itself and not at issuing authority choice. This is to satisfy the International Requirement.
If you want to read the actual UNECE Resolution ....
UNECE Resolution 40
If you want to read the rest that surrounds it ...
UNECE Inland waters
Do any other countries issue the ICC, or is it only for the British to use to satisfy officials in places which require their own people to pass tests?
I cannot find references on the internet which do not lead to the RYA, which seems to have a monopoly. Maybe it is called something else in other languages?
Is it just that foreign civil servants are used to being handed the ICC by UK residents, rather than it having any actual international status?
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The ICC is UK wording, design to agree with UN Resolution 40. All signatories to UN Resolution 40 issue their version of the Certificate required to comply. There is also the older Resolution 14 which some still adhere to.
I've seen versions that are form of a credit card in size and design - in fact a modification of the Driving Licence it appears !
The usual give-away to it being as per Resolution 40 (other than it should say so on it ! ) is the languages stated on it - these are required languages by the Resolution itself and not at issuing authority choice. This is to satisfy the International Requirement.
If you want to read the actual UNECE Resolution ....
UNECE Resolution 40
If you want to read the rest that surrounds it ...
UNECE Inland waters
Tillernut
New member
I think you will find that not all member states have signed up to this. Spain is one of these states. Particularly in Valencia, some British liveaboards have been impounded because they have stayed in Spanish waters for over 6 months and have not paid the Tariffa G5. I suggest you really research this before making a decision.
jimbaerselman
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some British liveaboards have been impounded because they have stayed in Spanish waters for over 6 months and have not paid the Tariffa G5.
[/ QUOTE ] Errm. I think you're a bit off beam here. It has been reported that some owners have been required to register their boats as Spanish, or alternatively, pay a fine and leave Spanish waters, because the owners have spent more than 183 days in a calendar year in Spain, thereby becoming Spanish tax residents.
The requirement here is that Spanish tax residents must register all means of transport kept in Spain, and on registering, they must pay a 'pollution' tax.
Nothing to do with T5, nor the ICC.
some British liveaboards have been impounded because they have stayed in Spanish waters for over 6 months and have not paid the Tariffa G5.
[/ QUOTE ] Errm. I think you're a bit off beam here. It has been reported that some owners have been required to register their boats as Spanish, or alternatively, pay a fine and leave Spanish waters, because the owners have spent more than 183 days in a calendar year in Spain, thereby becoming Spanish tax residents.
The requirement here is that Spanish tax residents must register all means of transport kept in Spain, and on registering, they must pay a 'pollution' tax.
Nothing to do with T5, nor the ICC.
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I think you will find that not all member states have signed up to this. Spain is one of these states. Particularly in Valencia, some British liveaboards have been impounded because they have stayed in Spanish waters for over 6 months and have not paid the Tariffa G5. I suggest you really research this before making a decision.
[/ QUOTE ]Can you give us any further details of particular cases? I know that we were charged G5 by the marina in that area but the cost was pretty trivial. I have never heard of any boat being 'impounded' in Spain. We have quite a few cases where liveaboard boats have been embargoed (they put a sticker, precinto, on the boat and you may not leave harbour but you can still live aboard and maintain the boat) but all of those cases have been tied up with the IESDMT tax.
On this forum we have been trying to collect as much factual data as possible to determine what the law actually says and how it is being applied, so any further information would help us greatly. Many thanks.
I think you will find that not all member states have signed up to this. Spain is one of these states. Particularly in Valencia, some British liveaboards have been impounded because they have stayed in Spanish waters for over 6 months and have not paid the Tariffa G5. I suggest you really research this before making a decision.
[/ QUOTE ]Can you give us any further details of particular cases? I know that we were charged G5 by the marina in that area but the cost was pretty trivial. I have never heard of any boat being 'impounded' in Spain. We have quite a few cases where liveaboard boats have been embargoed (they put a sticker, precinto, on the boat and you may not leave harbour but you can still live aboard and maintain the boat) but all of those cases have been tied up with the IESDMT tax.
On this forum we have been trying to collect as much factual data as possible to determine what the law actually says and how it is being applied, so any further information would help us greatly. Many thanks.
