I will live-aboard. The clock is ticking
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Ninpo
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Glad to see that you're still plugging along nicely Zanziba, good luck.
Keep us informed
Keep us informed
Zanziba
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Another month has passed... I have paid for my holiday (sailing) and I am counting down (5 weeks to go).
I've also continued to look at yachts online and I think that I have settled (I keep changing my mind) on what I am looking for.
A) Yes, it must be sail worthy but I am not looking for something expensive like a Southerly etc. Definately Jeanuea, Bavaria, Beneteau.
B) I still believe that I want room for my children to stop over and the bigger and more modern that it is then the easier that will be. I don't want to create (even worse than it will anyway) custody problems with the ex. 37' minimum - 41'Holiday Bavaria (4 cabins) ideal.
C) I have spoken to a few friends who are willing (In fact tore my arm off keen) to go to teh Med. (Greece?) to collect a yacht and sail it home if need be, although I would MUCH prefer to find the model at the correct price in the UK.
D) I think that my 3 year plan can realistically be reduced to 2 years now and there is a glimmer that it could be sooner still.
I've also continued to look at yachts online and I think that I have settled (I keep changing my mind) on what I am looking for.
A) Yes, it must be sail worthy but I am not looking for something expensive like a Southerly etc. Definately Jeanuea, Bavaria, Beneteau.
B) I still believe that I want room for my children to stop over and the bigger and more modern that it is then the easier that will be. I don't want to create (even worse than it will anyway) custody problems with the ex. 37' minimum - 41'Holiday Bavaria (4 cabins) ideal.
C) I have spoken to a few friends who are willing (In fact tore my arm off keen) to go to teh Med. (Greece?) to collect a yacht and sail it home if need be, although I would MUCH prefer to find the model at the correct price in the UK.
D) I think that my 3 year plan can realistically be reduced to 2 years now and there is a glimmer that it could be sooner still.
cimota
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Zanziba
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Just ordered the Folio Imray set of maps for the Irish Sea including Isle of Man so that I can "play" sailing
I figure that I could use the practice making passage plans and charting courses and it'll be intersting to look at where all the marinas are.
Is there an Almanac of tide tables available for the area that contains all years' tides in it or do people just check on the internet / newspaper daily?
Saint Louis
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This is a new contributer to the thread, wishing you luck with your research and with your adventure. I have been in a similar situation - only with four ankle-biters instead of three. I entirely agree with the advice to get them involved, try to sow the seeds leading to their enthusiasm.
For me, personally, I would certainly consider going the route of an older, long-keeled boat, perhaps even a motor sailor. This may not be your ideal vessel from a sailing point of view (until you become converted to all the joys of a long keel, that is) but you are buying VOLUME which is important when it comes to living on board. You are not buying a boat to last the rest of your life, and the main priority at present seems to me to be comfortable living space for you and the family - meet that priority now and change boats when the time comes - if indeed it comes. Such a boat should be loads cheaper than any of the fragile modern boats you have mentioned, and better equipped, as well as being easer to sail short handed. Go for one at least 15 years old - most of its depreciating already done!
Definately GRP, definately with shower, definately get a dehumidifier!
For me, personally, I would certainly consider going the route of an older, long-keeled boat, perhaps even a motor sailor. This may not be your ideal vessel from a sailing point of view (until you become converted to all the joys of a long keel, that is) but you are buying VOLUME which is important when it comes to living on board. You are not buying a boat to last the rest of your life, and the main priority at present seems to me to be comfortable living space for you and the family - meet that priority now and change boats when the time comes - if indeed it comes. Such a boat should be loads cheaper than any of the fragile modern boats you have mentioned, and better equipped, as well as being easer to sail short handed. Go for one at least 15 years old - most of its depreciating already done!
Definately GRP, definately with shower, definately get a dehumidifier!
Reasons2BCheerful
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In the same boat as Zanziba....
Well, figuratively speaking.
For me, it has been fascinating to see how my 'wishlist' has refined over the last year of researching....the more that you know, the more that you know how much you don't know.
I'm down from 40' to 28-34' deck saloon designs - and looking at the costs of marina berths, fin keels may be out - something that will take to the ground comfortably seems to be a higher priority than making 45deg on the wind. Taking Saint Louis' comments to heart.
I'm finding this whole forum extremely helpful - keep up the good work and best wishes to all my fellow dreamers (and a pox upon divorce lawyers! - excluding any forumites, of course)
Well, figuratively speaking.
For me, it has been fascinating to see how my 'wishlist' has refined over the last year of researching....the more that you know, the more that you know how much you don't know.
I'm down from 40' to 28-34' deck saloon designs - and looking at the costs of marina berths, fin keels may be out - something that will take to the ground comfortably seems to be a higher priority than making 45deg on the wind. Taking Saint Louis' comments to heart.
I'm finding this whole forum extremely helpful - keep up the good work and best wishes to all my fellow dreamers (and a pox upon divorce lawyers! - excluding any forumites, of course)
Zanziba
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This is sound advice and I would say that I am being a little narrow minded purely due to having only really had experience in Sailing Yachts.
Could you please put up a couple of links to something that you had in mind? Budget £30k - £40k.
Saint Louis
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I'm not sure too many links are available - bear in mind many of these boats went out of production many years before this sort of "link" was thought of..
On the good reliable sailing side, you could range from a Great Dane 28 to a Nicholson 38. In both cases, once you have decided to cast off you could do an ocean crossing or a round-the-world. Motor-sailors - too many to mention! The current fashion for extreme fin and unsupported rudder has resulted in many of these proper long-keeled seaworthy vessels being undervalued = opportunity!
Keep us all posted as to which way you go!
On the good reliable sailing side, you could range from a Great Dane 28 to a Nicholson 38. In both cases, once you have decided to cast off you could do an ocean crossing or a round-the-world. Motor-sailors - too many to mention! The current fashion for extreme fin and unsupported rudder has resulted in many of these proper long-keeled seaworthy vessels being undervalued = opportunity!
Keep us all posted as to which way you go!
Reasons2BCheerful
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Zanzi - not that I want any competition (divorce mediation on the way and house almost sold) but, these are a few of the listings that I found interesting:
Mode Year Price Website
Atlanta 32 1984 17250 http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/motor-sailers/colvic-atlanta-32-PAA22742
Atlanta 32 1975 25000 http://www.western-horizon.co.uk/boat_details.php?boat_id=210#
Beneteau Evasion 28 1976 14624 http://www.ybw-boatsforsale.com/Boats/90508-Beneteau-EVASION+28
Beneteau Evasion 28 1979 16333 http://www.ybw-boatsforsale.com/Boats/52558-Beneteau-EVASION+28
Beneteau Evasion 29 1982 30363 http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1982/Beneteau-Evasion-29-2241511/Port-La-Foret/France
Beneteau Evasion 29 1982 30450 http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1982/Beneteau-Evasion-29-2296656/LOIRE-ATLANTIQUE/France
Beneteau Evasion 29 1982 33060 http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1982/Beneteau-Evasion-29-2257615/Port-La-Foret/France
Beneteau Evasion 32 1979 19000 http://www.williamsandsmithells.co....95&slim=pp263497&sm=3&cit=true&searchtype=buy
Beneteau Evasion 32 1982 33507 http://www.theyachtmarket.com/boats_for_sale/37547/?searchid=&page=&preview=&logview=no
Beneteau Evasion 36 1992 59995 http://www.sailing-boats-for-sale.com/sail_boat_135789.aspx
Countess 28 1981 17450 http://www.dickies.co.uk/used-boats/searchfullspecs.php?DocumentID=3262506
Countess 28 1991 29000 http://www.yachtsnet.co.uk/boats/w20610/w20610.htm
Countess 33 1984 39000 http://www.boatshed.com/colvic_countess_33_deck_saloon-boat-117432.html
Countess 33 1998 44500 http://www.ancasta.com/BoatInformation.aspx?BoatId=25094
Hunter Pilot 27 1996 35500 http://www.euroyachts.com/boatsforsale.htm
LM 27 1982 24950 http://www.clarkeandcarter.co.uk/brokerage-boats/searchfullspecs.php?DocumentID=3260021
LM 27 1978 26950 http://www.boatshed.com/lm_lm27-boat-61606.html
LM 27 1979 27500 http://www.boatshed.com/lm_lm_27-boat-46774.html
LM 27 1979 27500 http://www.sailing-boats-for-sale.com/sail_boat_60397.aspx
LM 28 1985 42000 http://www.ancasta.com/BoatInformation.aspx?make=LM&model=28&BoatId=25633
Moody 33S 1981 27950 http://www.dickies.co.uk/used-boats/searchfullspecs.php?DocumentID=3262495
Mustang 31 1980 24000 http://www.euroyachts.com/boatsforsale.htm
Nauticat S340 1982 29950 http://www.dickies.co.uk/used-boats/searchfullspecs.php?DocumentID=3262611
Newbridge Pioneer Pilot 1987 12750 http://www.yachtsnet.co.uk/boats/classifieds/pioneer-pilot-26/pilot.htm
Newbridge Pioneer Pilot 1989 16500 http://www.dickies.co.uk/used-boats/searchfullspecs.php?DocumentID=3262397
southerly 28 1979 15000 http://www.boatshed.com/southerly_28-boat-115570.html
Southerly 28 1979 22500 http://www.networkyachtbrokers.co.uk/boats_for_sale/Southerly_28-17910.html
southerly 28 1980 24950 http://www.boatshed.com/southerly_28-boat-114003.html
southerly 95 1979 34000 http://essex.boatshed.com/southerly_95-boat-115350.html
Victor 34 1980 29950 http://www.dickies.co.uk/used-boats/searchfullspecs.php?DocumentID=3262845
Victor 34 1980 29950 http://www.networkyachtbrokers.co.uk/boats_for_sale/Colvic_Victor_34-05266.html
Victor 34 1983 32450 http://www.sailing-boats-for-sale.com/sail_boat_92981.aspx
Watson 28 1982 24500 http://www.networkyachtbrokers.co.uk/boats_for_sale/Colvic_Watson_28_Motor_Sailor-072935.html
Westerly Konsort Duo 1986 32500 http://www.sailing-boats-for-sale.com/sail_boat_30587.aspx
Best - T
BTW, St. Louis, mouthwatering web site!
Mode Year Price Website
Atlanta 32 1984 17250 http://www.boatsandoutboards.co.uk/motor-sailers/colvic-atlanta-32-PAA22742
Atlanta 32 1975 25000 http://www.western-horizon.co.uk/boat_details.php?boat_id=210#
Beneteau Evasion 28 1976 14624 http://www.ybw-boatsforsale.com/Boats/90508-Beneteau-EVASION+28
Beneteau Evasion 28 1979 16333 http://www.ybw-boatsforsale.com/Boats/52558-Beneteau-EVASION+28
Beneteau Evasion 29 1982 30363 http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1982/Beneteau-Evasion-29-2241511/Port-La-Foret/France
Beneteau Evasion 29 1982 30450 http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1982/Beneteau-Evasion-29-2296656/LOIRE-ATLANTIQUE/France
Beneteau Evasion 29 1982 33060 http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1982/Beneteau-Evasion-29-2257615/Port-La-Foret/France
Beneteau Evasion 32 1979 19000 http://www.williamsandsmithells.co....95&slim=pp263497&sm=3&cit=true&searchtype=buy
Beneteau Evasion 32 1982 33507 http://www.theyachtmarket.com/boats_for_sale/37547/?searchid=&page=&preview=&logview=no
Beneteau Evasion 36 1992 59995 http://www.sailing-boats-for-sale.com/sail_boat_135789.aspx
Countess 28 1981 17450 http://www.dickies.co.uk/used-boats/searchfullspecs.php?DocumentID=3262506
Countess 28 1991 29000 http://www.yachtsnet.co.uk/boats/w20610/w20610.htm
Countess 33 1984 39000 http://www.boatshed.com/colvic_countess_33_deck_saloon-boat-117432.html
Countess 33 1998 44500 http://www.ancasta.com/BoatInformation.aspx?BoatId=25094
Hunter Pilot 27 1996 35500 http://www.euroyachts.com/boatsforsale.htm
LM 27 1982 24950 http://www.clarkeandcarter.co.uk/brokerage-boats/searchfullspecs.php?DocumentID=3260021
LM 27 1978 26950 http://www.boatshed.com/lm_lm27-boat-61606.html
LM 27 1979 27500 http://www.boatshed.com/lm_lm_27-boat-46774.html
LM 27 1979 27500 http://www.sailing-boats-for-sale.com/sail_boat_60397.aspx
LM 28 1985 42000 http://www.ancasta.com/BoatInformation.aspx?make=LM&model=28&BoatId=25633
Moody 33S 1981 27950 http://www.dickies.co.uk/used-boats/searchfullspecs.php?DocumentID=3262495
Mustang 31 1980 24000 http://www.euroyachts.com/boatsforsale.htm
Nauticat S340 1982 29950 http://www.dickies.co.uk/used-boats/searchfullspecs.php?DocumentID=3262611
Newbridge Pioneer Pilot 1987 12750 http://www.yachtsnet.co.uk/boats/classifieds/pioneer-pilot-26/pilot.htm
Newbridge Pioneer Pilot 1989 16500 http://www.dickies.co.uk/used-boats/searchfullspecs.php?DocumentID=3262397
southerly 28 1979 15000 http://www.boatshed.com/southerly_28-boat-115570.html
Southerly 28 1979 22500 http://www.networkyachtbrokers.co.uk/boats_for_sale/Southerly_28-17910.html
southerly 28 1980 24950 http://www.boatshed.com/southerly_28-boat-114003.html
southerly 95 1979 34000 http://essex.boatshed.com/southerly_95-boat-115350.html
Victor 34 1980 29950 http://www.dickies.co.uk/used-boats/searchfullspecs.php?DocumentID=3262845
Victor 34 1980 29950 http://www.networkyachtbrokers.co.uk/boats_for_sale/Colvic_Victor_34-05266.html
Victor 34 1983 32450 http://www.sailing-boats-for-sale.com/sail_boat_92981.aspx
Watson 28 1982 24500 http://www.networkyachtbrokers.co.uk/boats_for_sale/Colvic_Watson_28_Motor_Sailor-072935.html
Westerly Konsort Duo 1986 32500 http://www.sailing-boats-for-sale.com/sail_boat_30587.aspx
Best - T
BTW, St. Louis, mouthwatering web site!
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Zanziba
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Although sale is now pending I have been looking at something like this:
http://www.yachtingcompany.com/en/951551/Jeanneau_Sun_Legend_41.html
I'll spend some time going through your list! Thank you.
http://www.yachtingcompany.com/en/951551/Jeanneau_Sun_Legend_41.html
I'll spend some time going through your list! Thank you.
Al.
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I found that list very useful myself.
Zanziba
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I am planning a road trip to Suffolk harbour and Plymouth Marina this weekend if anyone local want to meet for a brew or a chat or give me a tour of either place,
It is looking like Suffolk Saturday and Plymouth Sunday (Anyone recommend a good camp site for Saturday night in Plymouth and nice place to eat?)
It is looking like Suffolk Saturday and Plymouth Sunday (Anyone recommend a good camp site for Saturday night in Plymouth and nice place to eat?)
Zanziba
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Great weekend, Suffolk is a lovely part of the country!
Saw an old Jeaneau 40' but it was rather dissapointing to be honest... smaller than you would think for it's size and a bit mouldy on the woodwork and head lining... It needs quite a bit doing to it to make it liveable. Price - £39950
Then went to see a Gitiana 43 (You've probably seen her online called Sing in the Wind) - A real sailors yacht and lovely inside but a bit out of my price range at £58000 - Owner offered to put me up for the night as well which was a nice gesture but I had my new tent with me so decided to camp out. A cold night but a lovely one listening to the sea from the site in Dunwich.
So, what has the weekend taught me? Well, to be honest I am pleased with the weekend as it has confirmed what I suspected. I am looking for a "Floating Caravan" as many sailors call them... a large Bavaria aged about 10 years. They seem to be quite common on the Net in Europe around the £50k mark (Bav 41h / Bav42).
Another month has passed me by... the clock keeps ticking but the sand is slowly making its way into the bottom
Saw an old Jeaneau 40' but it was rather dissapointing to be honest... smaller than you would think for it's size and a bit mouldy on the woodwork and head lining... It needs quite a bit doing to it to make it liveable. Price - £39950
Then went to see a Gitiana 43 (You've probably seen her online called Sing in the Wind) - A real sailors yacht and lovely inside but a bit out of my price range at £58000 - Owner offered to put me up for the night as well which was a nice gesture but I had my new tent with me so decided to camp out. A cold night but a lovely one listening to the sea from the site in Dunwich.
So, what has the weekend taught me? Well, to be honest I am pleased with the weekend as it has confirmed what I suspected. I am looking for a "Floating Caravan" as many sailors call them... a large Bavaria aged about 10 years. They seem to be quite common on the Net in Europe around the £50k mark (Bav 41h / Bav42).
Another month has passed me by... the clock keeps ticking but the sand is slowly making its way into the bottom
Paul Curzon
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Just Done It
Have wanted to do it since 1982, we have our boat its in Trinidad and we will be aboard it full time soon. I am from a mining village in Yorklshire and I have no idea where the love of the sea comes from . But who cares now
Good luck and kep striving
Have wanted to do it since 1982, we have our boat its in Trinidad and we will be aboard it full time soon. I am from a mining village in Yorklshire and I have no idea where the love of the sea comes from . But who cares now
Good luck and kep striving
Southern Sailors
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It appears our goals are aligned but that you have a sizeable head start on me. Maybe in time we will pass each other afloat in the Med.
Happy caravan hunting!
Cheers,
Michael
Zanziba
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We shall see about the head start Ha Ha! I am aiming for Summer 2012 but money may mean that I'd have to save for an extra year. Just have to see what happens, I'm planning at the moment and keeping my dream alive.
April is here... I am doing my VHF licence (Marine radio) next Saturday and then I go to Lanzarote a couple of weeks later for some more sailing experience and I hope to try and pass my Yacht Master Coastal although I may well not have enough experience to be successful.
Another month with some plans in place and taking a few more steps towards life on the water.
I've now got charts of the Irish Sea, dividers etc. so I can now "play" at making passage plans and start practicing the essential chart skills that I will need.
The end point may be a long way off but so long as I keep heading in the right direction I know I will get there eventually.
April is here... I am doing my VHF licence (Marine radio) next Saturday and then I go to Lanzarote a couple of weeks later for some more sailing experience and I hope to try and pass my Yacht Master Coastal although I may well not have enough experience to be successful.
Another month with some plans in place and taking a few more steps towards life on the water.
I've now got charts of the Irish Sea, dividers etc. so I can now "play" at making passage plans and start practicing the essential chart skills that I will need.
The end point may be a long way off but so long as I keep heading in the right direction I know I will get there eventually.
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live aboard boat
Get a Colvic Victor 41....I will have one for sale in may...heavily built...and loads of separate accommodation.....
Get a Colvic Victor 41....I will have one for sale in may...heavily built...and loads of separate accommodation.....
capnsensible
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Moved aboard in 1998. No regrets!!!!
Zanziba
New member
VHF course done and passed... was quite good fun!
Read the book "Complete YachtMaster" by Tom Cunliffe as recommended to me... I thought it was a rather poor read to be honest. Alison Noice's book "Complete Day Skipper" was, IMHO, about 50 times better if anyone wants to buy a book that covers the basics.
UPDATE
I have managed to get a copy of "The Complete Yacht Master" by Alison Noice and (As I thought) it is a far better and more informative book than the recommended reading by Tom Cunliffe.
Read the book "Complete YachtMaster" by Tom Cunliffe as recommended to me... I thought it was a rather poor read to be honest. Alison Noice's book "Complete Day Skipper" was, IMHO, about 50 times better if anyone wants to buy a book that covers the basics.
UPDATE
I have managed to get a copy of "The Complete Yacht Master" by Alison Noice and (As I thought) it is a far better and more informative book than the recommended reading by Tom Cunliffe.
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