I bought a Konsort! Any help around Gosport? A follow up from "cruising boat under 20k?"

[Kelpie]

And on what grounds would your club wish to reject somebody? Surely that's something that you can explain fairly succinctly?

 

[Daydream believer]

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[Daydream believer]

The club would have to have clear criteria for membership and the interview panel could argue that a person was turned down because they didn’t meet the criteria. Eg this is a club for active sailors who race or cruise regularly. If in interview the candidate admits they don’t sail and have no real interest in learning etc then I don’t believe any court in the land is going to support the applicant’s claim for unfair treatment.

Straight away they could point to those who rarely sail at the club.- My wife has never sailed there for instance. So that would be a non starter.

 

[Kelpie]

Straight away they could point to those who rarely sail at the club.- My wife has never sailed there for instance. So that would be a non starter.

What criteria would you like to use to reject members, then?

 

[V1701]

Many congrats...

I've never been a clubby person either, I'd say firstly get to know your way in & out, by which I mean the small boat channel that's on the left as you come in & you use same for leaving Portsmouth. Learn what to look out for, e.g. Gosport Ferry. You can learn some of this just by watching the comings & goings & what others are doing. There's a lot you can do yourself - practising unfurling/furling the genoa & raising/lowering the main while she's on her berth which you can do on a very calm day. Do you have a tiller pilot? Get your head around how it works. Take her out on a calm day & sail a bit just with genoa, e.g.

 

[Buck Turgidson]

Firstly thank you all for all your advice, I realized I was worrying too much about the wrong things and found a great condition Konsort. Very happy!

I have insured her, motored her to a new mooring and spent the last two days getting used to how everything works.

Was wondering if there is anybody in the Portsmouth/Gosport area that wouldn't mind helping take me out the first few times? I have a good understanding of how everything works from reading and watching. In more than happy to compensate for anybody's time and fuel ect

Congratulations!
Looks like you’ve got a nice yacht there. And you’re doing the right thing looking for someone to show you the ropes. Im not local but I see there are some offers already.
The practical side isn’t rocket science so you’ll pick it up in no time, then it’s learning the traps and getting to grip with tides and weather which takes time.


Wandsworth take note!

 

[Daydream believer]

What criteria would you like to use to reject members, then?

Drugs perhaps? But could we prove other club members are not drug users?
People who may present, or have presented in the past, a possible danger to children.
MOBOs , although we are unsure if we will be able to reject those as a couple of club member have them on local moorings. I keep my launch on club grounds-- for laying members moorings.

It comes down to the point. If a club cannot reject someone then why "inteview" them?
What criteria would any club use for rejection in the initial application.

 

[Kelpie]

Drugs perhaps? But could we prove other club members are not drug users?
People who may present, or have presented in the past, a possible danger to children.
MOBOs , although we are unsure if we will be able to reject those as a couple of club member have them on local moorings. I keep my launch on club grounds-- for laying members moorings.

It comes down to the point. If a club cannot reject someone then why "inteview" them?
What criteria would any club use for rejection in the initial application.

If an applicant has a criminal record, especially if it could be argued that it might be relevant to club activities, then that sounds pretty straightforward.
I'm not sure clubs should have the right to reject people based on nebulous reasons or hearsay.

 

[Daydream believer]

If an applicant has a criminal record, especially if it could be argued that it might be relevant to club activities, then that sounds pretty straightforward.
I'm not sure clubs should have the right to reject people based on nebulous reasons or hearsay.

There are legally accepted checks that one can do in that respect, but the point still remains, that a club can no longer rely on the old interview system. It cannot just reject a member, in the way that it might have done in the past.

 

[Kelpie]

There are legally accepted checks that one can do in that respect, but the point still remains, that a club can no longer rely on the old interview system. It cannot just reject a member, in the way that it might have done in the past.

But why would you want to?
If they aren't some sort of danger, as evidenced by proven criminal record, then why shouldn't they be welcome?

 

[Just_sayin']

I still don’t understand why I haven’t been invited to join The Squadron

People consider me a gentleman, I have an interest in sailing and Waynetta scrubs up well.

Who do I complain to?

Or should that be ‘to whom do I complain?’

Dunno.

 

[laika]

then why shouldn't they be welcome?

I think you're asking a rhetorical question when you know the answer to the actual question.

On the up side interview to determine whether you're "their sort of person" works both ways. It gives you the opportunity to find out whether they're your sort of people before you part with any cash (hmmm...although do I recall hearing of clubs which charge a fee just to apply or did I imagine that...?)

 

[john_morris_uk]

Straight away they could point to those who rarely sail at the club.- My wife has never sailed there for instance. So that would be a non starter.

Straight away they could point to those who rarely sail at the club.- My wife has never sailed there for instance. So that would be a non starter.

But she’s your wife and therefore in many clubs only qualifies as a family or associate member. It doesn’t negate the requirement for the prime member to be an active sailor in my suggested scenario.

In addition I know of several clubs where you need to be invited to join. If your face doesn’t fit, tough cookies.

 

[Kelpie]

I think you're asking a rhetorical question when you know the answer to the actual question.

I have my suspicions, but it would nice to see it put in to words.

 

[Daydream believer]

But she’s your wife and therefore in many clubs only qualifies as a family or associate member. It doesn’t negate the requirement for the prime member to be an active sailor in my suggested scenario.

In addition I know of several clubs where you need to be invited to join. If your face doesn’t fit, tough cookies.

She was a family member. It is amazing how one gets sucked in when one's kids get involved. She has been active since early 80s .Did safety boat duty for 18 years every weekend during the sailing season. Plus open meetings & Stone week. Then bridge duty (still does) & committee boat duty for open meeting visitors (stopped doing that this year). Bar duty for about 15-20 years.
But she was a non sailor.

 

[john_morris_uk]

She was a family member. It is amazing how one gets sucked in when one's kids get involved. She has been active since early 80s .Did safety boat duty for 18 years every weekend during the sailing season. Plus open meetings & Stone week. Then bridge duty (still does) & committee boat duty for open meeting visitors (stopped doing that this year). Bar duty for about 15-20 years.
But she was a non sailor.

That’s great but you’re supporting my point in a way.

My vied is that a club can interview and give preference to people who will be actively involved in the clubs supported activity. Or you end up with a drinking/cheap dining club for people who don’t climb/sail/bell ring whatever. Of course if you’re happy with that sort of club as a committee that’s fine, but if you only want people who actually pursue your shared interest I suggest you can interview prospective members and make a judgement.

 

[Daydream believer]

That’s great but you’re supporting my point in a way.

My vied is that a club can interview and give preference to people who will be actively involved in the clubs supported activity. Or you end up with a drinking/cheap dining club for people who don’t climb/sail/bell ring whatever. Of course if you’re happy with that sort of club as a committee that’s fine, but if you only want people who actually pursue your shared interest I suggest you can interview prospective members and make a judgement.

The point is that we are not allowed to do that anymore. We might like to think we can, but we do not have a choice.

 

[MisterBaxter]

The point is that we are not allowed to do that anymore. We might like to think we can, but we do not have a choice.

I'm not aware of any legislation that would prevent a club from setting relevant and non-discriminatory criteria for membership, and using an interview to determine whether so eone meets those criteria - I'd be interested to know which laws or regulations are involved. Possibly the problem is that the criteria previously used weren't actually relevant and were more of a 'does the face fit' thing?

 

[ashtead]

I think the OP mentioned Hornet which I suspect has entry requirements ?

 

[doug748]

We have it cushy. In the US the more up market Yacht clubs require a proposer, seconder plus four letters of commendation from existing members for the interview.
The joining fee can be over $10,000 plus a hefty monthly fee and an agreement to meet a minimum $200 per month bar/catering tab.

The land of the free. ; -)

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