How many other folk feel the same?

john_morris_uk said:
If the female part of the couple is ambivalent I suggest that 99% of the time it’s nothing to do with her attitude, enthusiasm or alleged lack of an adventurous nature and much more to do with the way that she has been treated by the male of the species when they are on their boat.

My observation is that it’s nothing to do with women per se and much more to do with the way that they are treated by the average man on a boat. Claiming that there is some inherent personal characteristic about women that hates sailing and living on board a boat (or perhaps more mildly doesn’t care for it) is plain daft.

PS Ending with ‘ bless em’ reveals a patronising streak towards women that is reminiscent of the 50’s and 60’s.
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but would you not think that most of that is meant in jest and not to be taken seriously ??
 
john_morris_uk said:
Claiming that there is some inherent personal characteristic about women that hates sailing and living on board a boat is plain daft.
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I wasn't criticising the characteristics of women. It's men who buy and rave about boats, and are clearly the dafter. I had two.

You've squarely misunderstood my point of view. I grew sicker of boat-maintenance, boat discomfort and the loony prices of boat stuff, than any boat-owner's wife. The fact that many wives object to the effort of boat-owning, and the discouraging proportions of time spent sailing versus maintaining, and that they recognise a whopping rip-off when they see it, is all credit to the gender.

If you didn't see that "Bless 'em" was a joke pointing at sailing husbands' deceiving disinclination to admit what their boats cost, or to spend it in ways that are equally divided between the genuine preferences of each party...well, it was intended that way. Funny how a joke dies if it needs to be explained. ?

But I'm sorry if I offended.
 
I really was only joking. Is that unclear?

Why are you perpetuating a sense of offence after I have explained what I meant, and apologised for its unforeseen interpretation?
 
john_morris_uk said:
‘Only joking ‘ is a cheap way to attempt to deflect from the mistake that’s been made. It doesn’t usually work and it didn’t work here.
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did it not ?? i thot it was all rather funny , kind of self effacing , poking fun at the stereo typical male chauvinist ,,, i may be wrong .
 
It was certainly meant in that way, bless you, Cherod. It just wasn't well-received. ?

Dear me, I'd better be careful. For clarity, I didn't mean 'bless you, Cherod' in a poor-little-thing kind of way...I meant it in an 'if you tell me your favourite charity, they'll be having a happy Christmas', kind of way. Hope that's all clear. (y)
 
dancrane said:
I'm curious about what's wound you up so badly. Why don't you bother to explain?

I only spoke the plain truth. It wasn't meant to insult or condescend.
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Was this post intended to pretend your crass #54 is acceptable on a public forum? It, and #54 conveys rather a lot about you...
dancrane said:
I really was only joking. Is that unclear?

Why are you perpetuating a sense of offence after I have explained what I meant, and apologised for its unforeseen interpretation?
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There is nothing unclear about your statement: "I only spoke the plain truth.":rolleyes:
 
I believe you are wilfully clinging to your right to be offended, rather than recognise my intended levity and subsequent apology.

For clarity:

I believe it's the plain truth that most sailors' wives are much less enthusiastic about the many aspects of boat-owning peripheral to sailing in fine weather; and that even then, a significant proportion would rather reach the destination without owning the transport.

The fact that men are determined to persist in this costly hobby is a fact - they are content to take the good with the bad, and endure their spouse's view, be it encouraging, despairing or somewhere in between.

I wonder how many women who don't share their husbands' enjoyment of boat-owning, are forumites here? ;)

It might be a lot more entertaining if they did contribute, than reading tedious explanations like this.
 
dancrane-
if you had any, I stress any- sence of tact, and good manners- you would have apologised and retracted your appalling posts.

Just a side note: I sail my own boat, racing; know a thing or two about maitenance, and would challenge you to go for a sail. You stand no chance.
Want another female? My -then- sixteen year old daughter- sailed in the same year:
in the Carribean...and the Arctic circle. Done more miles-in various seas- by now, than you probably ever did. And she is still in her teens... learning.
Women sailors...sail.
Sapienti sat...
EOT from me.
 
Daydream believer said:
Give your daughter another 15 years , a job, a mortgage up to her ears, 2 kids & rising bills & see how she fits into Dan's post #54 then.
He is not far short of the truth & in no way insulting.
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So you choose to continue this thread in a very unpleasant way.
His post is insulting and was clearly meant to be so.

As for my -female- offspring:
rest assured, they will be exactly where their mother and grandmother, and even great-grandmother were at their respective stages of ther lives. Doctors, scientists, mortgage long paid off, teenage children well into their respective education (A level- Ivy-league/Russel group Uni)...
and...own boat... :)
Perhaps you should start living in the twentieth century- if twenty first is too much for you? ?
 
What started as a question about a 35' GRP vessel on EBay has collapsed into random bickering.

Hard to see what use it serves!!
 
EOT
End of Thread- used since the time of mainframe computers, long before internet/www .

I had had reported the misogynistic comments to the moderators.
 
01_Anna said:
I had had reported the misogynistic comments to the moderators.
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It is sad when people get offended by others views, just because they do not align with theirs. then using the lefty method of having them censored.
Surely people should be allowed to express an opinion. Threads develope & whilst i accept that this one has gone well beyond its subject so should really go no further, They should be given some leeway. in most cases the Mods allow that quite liberally- untill they break the rules. I admit to haveing done that & receiving a slapped wrist more than once.
However, Dan, in my opinion has said nothing offensive. Just because it did not fit in with everyone's opinion. In fact one might consider the objections to be worse than the original posts to which the objections have been made. That is why I could not help but have a comment in post #74. But it was not an insult. In fact in most cases it would be true. The resulting reply carried what could be taken as an insult
So who was right & who was wrong?
6 of one & half dozen of the other really
 
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