rafiki_
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And how long to charge?
HOW DO YOU SEE THE FUTURE OF leasure boating &fuel taxation due to climate change,from sailing
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westernman
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I don't need to drive a 44 ton trunk to the marina. An estate car is perfectly adequate.
Clash
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It's not the big question, it's the FUD question. The kind of nonsensical stuff that gets thrown out by the supporters of big oil when they run out of car fire and explosion "questions".
And the 'lot' of lorries that are used by different drivers are short haul, so really don't represent a problem. There's always a window to stick a charge in since they tend to return to base for a new driver.
Clash
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Depends on the architecture. Assuming it can take a 350kW charge, then about an hour to get to 80%
Seastoke
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I did not mention trucks or even trunks, or are you talking about clashes budgie smugglers.
westernman
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There are 750kW chargers for trucks. The Man eTGX (44t juggernaut) can swallow that.
westernman
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For cars charging is not an issue. There are tons of chargers along the route, (Many 350kW-400kW chargers). And if I want to I could plug in over night to the power for the boat.
The EV I have just ordered can charge faster than I can pee. It can go from 10%-80% in 15 minutes and a range of 400km at 130kmh and 460km at 120kmh.
The car I ordered can charge at up to 400kW, but mostly you can only find 350kW chargers in this part of the world.
Clash
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What is it, as a matter of interest?
westernman
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Smart #5 Premium
The Brabus makes no sense to me (hence the choice of Premium). The car does not have the suspension of a 650hp supercar. I don't need 3.5s 0-100kmh. I can wait an extra 3 seconds. It is a nice biggish comfortable car with a sensible boot, softish suspension (which I like) and a really nice interior with a huge amount of leg-room in the rear and decent leather seats. It has intelligent lights and a head up display. It is a fair bit cheaper than the Hyundai Ioniq 5 which was second choice. It is less efficient than the VW ID.7 (thanks to the aerodynamics of a brick vs soap dish) but much nicer interior which does not squeak and is much faster to charge. It has a WLTP range of 590km, and real word range at 130kmh on the autoroute of 400km (the difference is big due to the brick shape).
The delivery time is very long......
Clash
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That's impressive. You may not need the 3.5s to 100kph, but the one second from 90 to 120 is very useful.
Boathook
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Plenty of parking but no charging points yet. The marina / boatyard struggles with supplying boats without adding cars due to a poor infrastructure by today's standards.
Clash
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Marina car parks don't really need charge points because most people using them are generally coming from short distances. Only the very hard of thinking would use a marina hundreds of miles from their home.
Seastoke
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Your logic does not add up
ylop
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Depends where you live! Sailing somewhere significantly inferior is probably not that great an idea - it’s the sort of things that make people invent ways to make sailing interesting like racing round the cans rather than travel!
However, you definitely don’t need FAST charging at a marina as people are usually there for prolonged periods. I used to keep a boat at James Watt Dock (Greenock) it has a customer only slow charger inside the compound and a small number of faster chargers in a public car park just outside the gates. The latter would add about 100miles to most cars in the time people spend unloading (or loading) their stuff into the boat. Never a space/capacity issue when I was there.
When we moved the boat to somewhere else I chatted to another marina about options (we ended up with a mooring instead) and they said they had no chargers but we could use the yard infrastructure with a granny cable on a meter - that would be perfect leave it charging, go sailing, come back tomorrow and even from near zero it would be 100%. Actually in summer we can get away without a charge but in winter we fit in food at one of the many chargers we pass on the way.
Alicatt
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Plenty of car parking, more than enough for all the boats plus others, no electric vehicle charging though.
Seastoke
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I have an MHEV at the moment but can’t see an ev any time over the next ten years.
Clash
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It's not logical to travel hundreds of miles to a marina without charging on the way. If you need a destination charger at the marina, you probably need to rethink your marina needs.
Personally I wouldn't be bothered having a boat if it took hours of driving to get to it every weekend.
But as @ylop says above, a few AC chargers would be all that are needed. Same as in most hotels.
bedouin
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The challenge is really scaling capacity without taking land that is currently used for food production. We need to move towards a more industrial process - it is beginning to happen but AFAIK not there yet
Clash
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It's a non-runner. The land used for bio fuel in the EU could feed 120 million people daily and 2.5% of it is enough to provide the same energy through solar farms. Incredibly wasteful use of energy.
