HOW DO YOU SEE THE FUTURE OF leasure boating &fuel taxation due to climate change,from sailing

[Seastoke]

We were n Salcombe recently and there is around 4/5 boats collecting dues all diesel , there was one rib electric by the jetty on charge paid for by the government , it never moved in 3 days .

 

[Clash]

Can you verify this ?

Thought so .

Unlike you, I'm not given to spoofing. Labour vat private school closures 2025

While the number of independent schools overall increased from 2,421 to 2,456, insiders say the figure would likely have risen further without the disruption caused by the new tax.
The government has dismissed claims of widespread impact, saying school closures are not unusual.
“Approximately 50 mainstream private schools typically close each year due to a range of reasons,” a DfE spokesperson said.

 

[Grubble]

We were n Salcombe recently and there is around 4/5 boats collecting dues all diesel , there was one rib electric by the jetty on charge paid for by the government , it never moved in 3 days .

Did you see what the motor was on the electric rib? Outboard or something else?

This guy converted his speedboat to electric (4 cylinder petrol inboard to electric motor). No more jerry cans for him:-

 

[ylop]

I still don't get the push to install electric emgines in sailing vessels. The way to make something expensive viable is if it gets used a lot. Which the average yacht engine isn't.

Our engine is used to get us in and out of a marina or to a destination when the wind has dropped. Maybe running less than 10% of the time the yacht is moving?

I suspect that E sailing boats might actually become more popular for quite different reasons: (i) noise - nothing nicer than turning off the diesel engine; (ii) space - without an engine I think it should be possible to free up a lot of engine room space which allows for creative boat design; (iii) servicing cost - and avoiding issues like fuel filters, impeller changes, heat exchangers, coked up exhausts etc.

To be viable it probably needs “regen” to become slightly more efficient than it is today - but if you could charge at 3-4 knots sailing speed plus extensive solar (teak decks are PITA so solar deck is clearly logical!) then it would make for some interesting options. Perhaps not for everyone.

The expensive bit (compared to diesel) is probably the batteries - which like it or not we all seem to be using more of anyway.

 

[ChromeDome]

The vast majority of countries already have full fuel prices for private boating. Just like cars.

If looking to mitigate risk of not being able to resell due to trend/politics/idealism, the safe way is to get someting with a big sail and a small [electric or nuclear] engine.

 

[Boathook]

The vast majority of countries already have full fuel prices for private boating. Just like cars.

If looking to mitigate risk of not being able to resell due to trend/politics/idealism, the safe way is to get someting with a big sail and a small [electric or nuclear] engine.

Nuclear would be good. Just one fuel on board for motoring, cooking and heating. Would even make the sails redundant !

 

[ChromeDome]

Nuclear would be good. Just one fuel on board for motoring, cooking and heating. Would even make the sails redundant !

Hardly doable in a small enough package, but it is CO2-free, relatively silent and not depending on refilling either.

As I'm sure you're aware, 4rd gen reactors completely changes the conditions for nuclear power, so the potential is there.

 

[ari]

VAT didn't exist back when telephones and electricity was invented. The EV grants are in effect giving some of the VAT back to the buyer. And as for broadband, the government is still funding (sorry bribing) broadband rollout with billions of pounds of taxpayer subsidies.

It's way beyond that. It's zero rate company car tax for electric cars - choose one instead of an ICE car and you save a fortune in tax. It's forcing manufacturers to build a certain ratio of electric cars to ICE cars and fining them heavily if they sell too many ICE cars (up to £15,000 per car!! And never mind what the public actually wants to buy).

And as for broadband, as above, the government might be funding the roll out, just as they're funding BEV charging points. The big difference is, they're not having to subsidise you or me to force you or me to switch to broadband with tax breaks or whatever, we're switching to it because it is better, so we want to.

 

[Grubble]

It's way beyond that. It's zero rate company car tax for electric cars - choose one instead of an ICE car and you save a fortune in tax. It's forcing manufacturers to build a certain ratio of electric cars to ICE cars and fining them heavily if they sell too many ICE cars (up to £15,000 per car!! And never mind what the public actually wants to buy).

And as for broadband, as above, the government might be funding the roll out, just as they're funding BEV charging points. The big difference is, they're not having to subsidise you or me to force you or me to switch to broadband with tax breaks or whatever, we're switching to it because it is better, so we want to.

Next you'll be claiming that British people don't want to buy food because farmers are subsidised.

 

[ari]

Next you'll be claiming that British people don't want to buy food because farmers are subsidised.

Why would I claim that? When have I ever said that British people don't want to buy something because it's subsidised?

 

[Seastoke]

Did you see what the motor was on the electric rib? Outboard or something else?

This guy converted his speedboat to electric (4 cylinder petrol inboard to electric motor). No more jerry cans for him:-

It was inboard

 

[Clash]

It's way beyond that. It's zero rate company car tax for electric cars - choose one instead of an ICE car and you save a fortune in tax. It's forcing manufacturers to build a certain ratio of electric cars to ICE cars and fining them heavily if they sell too many ICE cars (up to £15,000 per car!! And never mind what the public actually wants to buy).

And as for broadband, as above, the government might be funding the roll out, just as they're funding BEV charging points. The big difference is, they're not having to subsidise you or me to force you or me to switch to broadband with tax breaks or whatever, we're switching to it because it is better, so we want to.

Electric cars are better.

 

[Rocksteadee]

I suspect that climate change will severely affect boating as it turns into winter and it gets too cold. However there is a strong chance that people will go boating more as the climate changes back to summer

 

[rafiki_]

Electric cars are better.

Electric cars are a stop gap. They are not the future. Some super solutions are coming down the line in a few years.

 

[westernman]

It's way beyond that. It's zero rate company car tax for electric cars - choose one instead of an ICE car and you save a fortune in tax. It's forcing manufacturers to build a certain ratio of electric cars to ICE cars and fining them heavily if they sell too many ICE cars (up to £15,000 per car!! And never mind what the public actually wants to buy).

And as for broadband, as above, the government might be funding the roll out, just as they're funding BEV charging points. The big difference is, they're not having to subsidise you or me to force you or me to switch to broadband with tax breaks or whatever, we're switching to it because it is better, so we want to.

Many car companies have to buy carbon credits if they do not sell enough electric cars vs ICE cars.
And guess which company makes a huge amount of money from selling carbon credits?

Tesla.
They make more money from selling carbon credits than they make selling cars.

 

[westernman]

Just a few figures to give an idea of the problems for an electric boat.
Take for instance take a Princess 42

Range at cruising speed (25 knots) 300 miles in 12 hours.
The engines are delivering at that speed approximately 600HP. I.e. 450KW and will consume about 1300 litres of diesel

Equivalent battery size: 5400kwh
Approximate weight: 32 Tons

(100kwh car battery is about 600kg)

 

[dunedin]

Just a few figures to give an idea of the problems for an electric boat.
Take for instance take a Princess 42

Range at cruising speed (25 knots) 300 miles in 12 hours.
The engines are delivering at that speed approximately 600HP. I.e. 450KW and will consume about 1300 litres of diesel

Equivalent battery size: 5400kwh
Approximate weight: 32 Tons

(100kwh car battery is about 600kg)

But it does beg the question as to whether that form of usage is sustainable in the future?
Why is it necessary to make a large appartment block plane at 25 knots?
Would it be better if want full accommodation for cruising to only have displacement power yachts (or even ones with masts and sails) that can cover long distances albeit taking slightly longer. And have electric hydrofoil dayboats for buzzing around at speed?

 

[Clash]

Electric cars are a stop gap. They are not the future. Some super solutions are coming down the line in a few years.

Ah yes, the unicorn over the horizon that never arrives and maintains the status quo.

The last sting of a dying wasp.

 

[rafiki_]

Ah yes, the unicorn over the horizon that never arrives and maintains the status quo.

The last sting of a dying wasp.

There is no need to be rude. You can dismiss this if you like, but there are genuine solutions under development, and serious investment.

 

[Clash]

There is no need to be rude. You can dismiss this if you like, but there are genuine solutions under development, and serious investment.

That wasn't rudeness, it was cynicism. This tactic from big oil isn't new. We've had the hydrogen car and so-called renewable fuels. All delaying tactics to prolong the use of dino juice.

And all these "genuine solutions" are usually "only five years away".