Help please!

[jimmie]

Re: Bowman 42 - Piano

FRom personal experience I would'nt look at a yacht below 50 foot, paricularly if contemplating any sort of distance cruising. There just is'nt enough room for personal privacy and all the home comforts. I'd have a look at the Trintella 51. Absolutely fabulous yacht.

James

 

[petery]

Northshore salesmen

You must have caught Northshore's salesmen on a bad day. A couple of months ago I bought a 'derelict' Vancouver 27 from them at £16k to 'do up'. It must have been the cheapest boat they sold this year! I was moving up from a little Caprice. All their staff were very helpful and treated me as if I was buying one of their top of the range boats. Their service manager and his team were patient and always were prepared to give advice.

 

[jimmie]

Northwind not Northshore

Another pretty boat that might be worth visiting is the Northwind 50. Nice boat, I believe Blue Jay of Dart is for sale.

 

[jimi]

Do\'nt be ridiculous

Jimmie, I don't care who you are, but the suggestions are really just taking the mickey. How can you expect a carboot salesman to afford anything like what you are suggesting!

Jim

 

[jimmie]

Re: Do\'nt be ridiculous

Well honestly, if you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen. We all know boating properly costs a lot of money and if you want to do it, it will cost you.

 

[Guest]

Re: Moody my arse! Warning : Strong language!

Have you considered the basic fact of life as applied to boats. If it flows go with it ,
if it bends, stand clear, if it doesn't go easy, vaseline will not help. Find another
that does the above.
I'm a firm believer that there isn't a stock boat out, that would'nt be a better boat if it was a one off to your own spec's. Then you have what you want and do not have to take the things you do not want that some mass Ass puts into his boat!
Gene S/V Teacher's Pet III

Keep on Learning!!

 

[Rowana]

Re: Rustler 36

Me too. I was on a Rustler 36 for a weekend earlier this year, and was well impressed.

I'm hoping that ERNIE will be good to me soon, and I can go get one for myself !!

 

[Gerry]

Re: Moody my arse! Warning : Strong language!

Yes- Chris Owen-MD 01326 376107

 

[Rowana]

Re: Bowman 42 - Piano

Bowman 42 (and others) are now made by Rustler!

Check out their website at -
http://www.rustleryachts.com/

Jim

 

[Gerry]

Re: Moody my arse! Warning : Strong language!

Just read rest of posts since last night! Yes Rustler have bought the remains of Bowman and Starlight. They are going to make the Bowmans in Penryn, Cornwall whilst I think production of the Starlight will stay in Southampton.
New build will be well over your budget, sorry I missed that figure earlier, but there are a few secondhand boats on the market, They have a 10 year old Bowman 40 on sale for £160k at the moment. Must admit to being biased as this is what I have got! Can truthfully say that when I took delivery had almost no experience of sailing apart from dinghies in my distant youth! However, with good sense and careful learning we are now able to enjoy longer distance cruising with growing confidence, this summer managed the gibraltar straits, north africa-morrocco and had a great time!
If you feel the Bowman is maybe a little expensive and conservative- have a look at the Starlight- a more production boat but maybe more in line with your thinking. As to extras- most 2nd hand Bowmans are extremely well equipped- their owners tend to really sail -I can hear squeals of indignation here- and have 'sorted' through what is really, really necessary.
Our plan too is to keep this boat for a few years until we are better able to specify a new build- probably a Bowman 48.
Yes a 40, 42 is a large and heavy boat and learning to handle her in marinas has been very challenging but not impossible for a novice.
Go and have a look if nothing else- it will enable you to form a different perspective at the very least!

 

[Guest]

Re: Moody my arse! Warning : Strong language!

Via pm yesterday I advised Steve to get a face to face meeting with David Moody asap and then make a decision, doing things via fax etc will not work. Moody are no worse or better than anyone else in the marine business. For example a friends Sweden Yacht was 3 months late, Malo delivered a 42 with too heavy keel, a friends HR had major problems etc etc. All yards take their time. I find this blowing off in public silly, if Moodys are reading this they might be well saying stuff it when they can sell the boat over and over again. As to the after sales service, I have found it to be very good and prompt, reasonableness is met with reasonableness. They have sent people to Gosport to sort out minor problems, I had a problem when the water separator filter failed on holiday ie 3rd party kit. I talked to Moodys on the Sunday on the Monday they delivered a new filter and had arranged to for a local engineer to fit it whilst I was on a borrowed mooring bouy in Portland Harbour. Could or would any other marques have responded that way on a Sunday? I am entering this because if someone ignores advice to get a resolution and then prefers this public negotiation then...not to my taste.

Pete

 

[Twister_Ken]

Re: Rustler 36

Hey, it was only a joke because a R36 is a Twister, after the plans have been put on the photocopier and enlarged 30%.

 

[Guest]

Re: Do\'nt like \'em then?

Boats with accomodation similar to the Moody 38,

HR39 or the new 40,
Malo 39
Najad391
Sweden Yachts 39
Nauticat39

but none of the above in resonable Nick for £150,000 that he wants to spend. That is why I bought the Moody.

Steve's should look at Bavaria, Jenneau etc and take the hit on weight and quality.

Pete

 

[Steve101]

Hold on a sec, arn\'t I the customer?

Point taken Peter, but when after three phone calls and an assurance that I would get the quote finally that afternoon and I don't get it I feel pretty let down.

Remember that this is my first foray into buying a boat and I get the impression that the industry pleases itself (in this case.) We are all governed by the laws of supply and demand. When a customer rings me up and asks me to quote for a few PS2's and all the accessories they think they may need. They get it that day. If they ask for something that I've never done before; I get on the phone and find out if it can be done and definately let them know when I can quote, if I get to the deadline and still can't quote I ring them and say "Sorry, I don't have all the information I need right now to quote, I'll get back to you as soon as I do!" and this is probably all for an item that costs about £40 not £125,000!
Perhaps because I'm so customer conscious myself I suffer bad service less than others!

Peter, I value your advice and would have followed it to the 't' had I received the quote in the time frame quoted by Moody. I still 'love' the boat and I don't think anyone questions their quality. I am however frustrated that I have been rushing my arse off trying to get everything in place so I can safely take charge of my 'Careless whisper' and still two weeks later not even a price yet. In answer to your comment if Moody read this, well if they say "stuff him" then I'm no worse off am I. If however they take the criticism constructively (As I would if a customer was less than happy!) then maybe I will open my email and see the quote........nope still not there!

I hope I haven't offended you and to put it in a nutshell; My main concern (and in light of the fact that you seem to have had such good service in the past.) is if Moody are pulling out of the smaller boat market are they changing their attitudes to the smaller customer.

Yours sincerely

Steve O'Brien

 

[Chris_Stannard]

I have a Najad 373 and they will fit whatever you want if you buy it new. I tried to buy a Moody not once but twice and they managed to p**s me off on both occasions. I bought my Najad slightly second hand (a year old but little used). Najad recognise me as a Najad owner, invite me to their parties. Most importanantly, if I have a problem I phone Sweden and they look my boat up on their computer records and give me an answer. In short I get wonderful customer service although I was not the origianl owner.
A friend of mine bought a Moody 44 from the boat show in London. When he brought it round to the Solent he found there where leaks by the shrouds and in the coach roof. Moody's response "its your boat so iots your problem"
I know which boat I would rather go for.

Chris Stannard

 

[Guest]

Re: Rustler 36

That's half of the point...

Boats don't scale up like that. So you start with a folkboat, scale it up, scale it up again...

Strangely the damn thing then ends up sailing like a dog.

 

[Steve101]

Re: Hold on a sec, arn\'t I the customer?

Guess what? It's almost 4.00pm and still no quote from Moody!

 

[dk]

Re: Bowman 42 & Rustlers

This might already be answered later in this lengthy thread but... the Rustler 36 & 42 are still made by Rustler Yachts (Ex Orion) in Falmouth, and they also now have all the Bowman moulds which they are avidly building from. The only one they don't have is the Starlight 39, which is owned by a Swedish outfit (Possibly CR Yachts I think), but they can still get a hull moulded from them and fit it out in Cornwall.

 

[incognito]

Rustler 36 - SLANDER !!

I wonder where you get your experience from, as far as R36 is concerned? I am sure you are a very experienced sailor and able to make assessments of boats you sail in. However, you have got your assessment very wrong.

If you want to knock the R36, then criticise it's performance going backwards - it is a pig!! Not recommended for Steve101, for sure. You can also point out that it doesn't have an aft cabin, let alone two aft cabins (like Dufour, Bavaria etc). It is true that the tiller load is pretty heavy if you sail her on her ear, well over-canvassed.

But, please, don't post such slanderous rubbish about performance, handling and build.

I have to give you the benefit of the doubt, and imagine that you have sailed in F8 and above in an R36, if you did, it must have been a one-off boat with some bad damage!!

With properly balanced sails, she will sail herself easily to windward, with hardly a touch on the tiller.

I have sat out 17hours in F8/9 (not not gusting 9, but F9), in our TILLER-STEERED R36, and been damn glad it was an R36, and not the Dufour or Bavaria. We were too tired after about 4 hours to hand helm (although we were able to, as the sails were well-reefed and balanced) and put MrAutohelm4000 on the job (he doesn't have that much strength) and he did most of the work, I admit.

I have even been caught in a williwaw, which knocked a fellow cruiser flat, and destroyed most things fitted to his pushpit (!), but our R36 was just pushed down nearly flat, and held.

Build - original varnish in nearperfect condition 7 years on, and no revarnishing so far - admit companionway around washboards needs a little attention, but that's not too much, surely, for any boat? Build, I had a little leak around the chainplates, and just lifted a little deckplate, held by two screws, squirted a bit of Sikaflex, and replaced - job done. Friend with HR had to detach his shrouds to to do the same job.

One other downside is, of course, cost - they are a bit pricey, and hell, if they don't hold their cost, why have there been two sold in the last 6 weeks which were both over original cost?

If steve101 were to be pushed by you guys, if he is not just a troll (?), then Red Ruth, R42 is up for sale right now for £256K. And the 10yr old Bowman 40 has gone - to an R36 owner, so an R36 should be available soon, but they tend not to be available for long.

PS. I was just a little upset by the sheer malice with which you posted - is it possble to be a little objective in your next response?

 

[Steve101]

Lible not slander. Lible is written, slander=said!

Sorry, carry on! Just something else I'm anally retentive about! ;-)

ps Have to get these comments in 'cos I know nothing about boats!