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Chris_Robb

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The latest intelligence on this from the CA is here:
Below is a Google Translation of the amended DRAFT Law which modifies the tax downwards. Its a bit difficult to follow but the gist is clear.
This is just the Law. The real detail will be in the implementation of the law which hopefully we will get some input to. I will follow this post with some worked examples of the law and high light areas we are not sure about. I have also included a word version attached.
The fines are also spelt out! - Happy reading
Article 66 - End Ferry Recreation and Imeroploion

The thirteenth article of Law 4211/2013 "Ratification Act of Legislative Content" settings to address extremely urgent and unforeseen needs "Greek Defence Systems SA." (Official Gazette A 256) is replaced as follows:
1. A specific charge was called "Finally Ships Recreation and Imeroploion" (TE.P.A.I.), which is borne by: a) pleasure craft and private business and b) professional tourist imeroploia.
The TE.P.A.I. charged for all within Greek territorial waters above pleasure craft and professional tourist imeroploia, regardless of their flag.
From TE.P.A.I. excluding decommissioned or seized vessels.
2. a. TE.P.A.I. calculated per year, the current month from the date of payment and shall be as follows
aa. For the total length of seven (7) to (8) meters to sixteen (€16) per month.
BB. For the total length of more than eight (8) measures for up to ten (10) meters in twenty-five (25 euros) per month.
c. For the total length of more than ten (10) meters and up to twelve (12) meters in thirty three (€33) per month.
d. For the total length of more than (12) meters per month eight (8) per meter, calculated from the first measure. The charge is reduced by twenty percent (20%) for recreational vessels and professional tourist imeroploia provided the exclusive business use.
b. A joint decision of Marine Ministers and Island Policy and Finance, it is possible to provide further reduction to 20% for the vessels of the case d of this paragraph if they enter and remain in the ports of countries - the European Union during the current calendar year. By the same CMD defines the special criteria, the method of receipt, for providing the discount and any other necessary details for the implementation of this paragraph.
c. In case of single prepayment TE.P.A.I. for a period of 12 months (one year) a discount of ten per cent (10%) in the amount due. Prepay place in December last year to the next or in January. The percentage of the discount provided can be adjusted by the Common Ministerial Decision of paragraph 6 of this.
d. For the calculation of TE.P.A.I. take account of the overall length of the vessel, which is listed on the nationality document or certificate of airworthiness or measurement certificate or the Permit to Operate.
3. a. The payment of TE.P.A.I. carried out with payment code issued electronically per month for each current month vessels intend to stay in the Greek Territory or off for the current year and up to twelve (12) months. Alternatively, if the patch Payment online is not possible, payment of TE.P.A.I. may be effected in any DOY or Port Authority or the Customs Authority in the case of recreational vessels flying the flag of non-EU country, in which case the customs authority issues and traffic bulletin (transitlog).
b. The payment receipt TE.P.A.I. kept with the shipping documents of the vessel and presented to the Port, Customs, Tax Authorities, when requested.
c. If port, Tax or Customs Authority found that has not been paid TE.P.A.I., detained the vessel is prohibited until the payment.
d. For the non-payment of TE.P.A.I. in addition to the payment of the fee prescribed by the Authority that the notes and fine as follows:
aa. For the total length of more than seven (7) meters up to eight (8) meters, one hundred and ninety (190) euro.
BB. For the total length of more than eight (8) meters and up to ten (10) meters, three hundred (300) euro.
c. For the total length of more than ten (10) meters and up to twelve (12) meters, four hundred (400) euro.
d. For the total length of more than twelve (12) meters, one thousand one hundred (1100) Euros.
e. For the charge notices and the fine is not paid that do not apply the provisions of article 63 of l. 4174/2013.
4. a. Any departure of the vessel from the Greek Territory for any reason, at any time before the expiry of TE.P.A.I. does not create an obligation to return any amount from the State.
b. In case of re-board the Greek Territory, while the TE.P.A.I. force, there is no requirement to pay again for the period until the expiry of its validity.
5.Ypochreos in payment of TE.P.A.I. are: a) the owner or operator of the recreational vessel or professional tourist imeroploiou or his legal representative, b) the owner or the owner or user of private recreational vessel. These are jointly and severally liable for each payment of TE.P.A.I.
6. By decision of the Ministers of Finance and Mercantile Marine and Island Policy sets out how the process and the performance time of TE.P.A.I., the procedure and the payment control authorities, the type and content of the certificate Acts of debt by not paying TE.P.A.I. and the fine of paragraph 3, the institutions that issue them, the institutions and the detention procedure and this waiver and any relevant detail to the provisions of this Article
7. For the purposes of this Article, the terms used have the following meaning:
a. Pleasure Boat: every vessels with a length of more than seven (7) meters sailboat or motor which can from general construction to be used for performing leisure travel.
b. Professional recreational vessel means the capacity pleasure boat up to forty-nine (49) passengers, whose holding is concluded total charter contract.
c. Private pleasure boat: the recreational vessel that is not professional in accordance with the provisions of the present case b paragraph.
d. Professional Tour Imeroploio: the small boat or recreational vessel or passenger tour boat, which falls under the provisions of Article 12 of l. 4256/2014 (A 92) as in force and that, regardless of their flag, conducts travelogue trip duration within the Greek territory, up to twenty four hours for the sole purpose of marine leisure and tour passengers via predetermined program by receiving passengers from abroad independently whether to disembark finally or not in Greece or picking up passengers from Greece provided that will finally disembark either in Greece or abroad or performing daily water travelogue trip to Greece having received their passengers from abroad and in order to complete their journey (final disembarkation of passengers) abroad.
8. TE.P.A.I. must stay in the Greek territory after the adoption of the Common Ministerial Decision referred to in para. 6 of this. "
 
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Sample Rates for the new tax - discount details are unclear in how to calculate.

Discounts: It appears that a 20% discount is allowed on Recreational vessels. A further discount of 20% is available for all those vessels staying in EU waters (they have to do this presumably to comply with EU law) Query - does this apply if I pay only for 3 months and haul out? Lots of issue here.
7 to 8 metre yacht €16 per month Old rate €20
8 to 10 metre yacht €25 per month Old rate €30
10 to 12 metre yacht € 33 per month Old rate €40
No discounts appear to cover these rates, but unclear as yet.
Above 12 metres a monthly rate of €8 per metre applies. Old Rate 10
Discounts available:
For Recreational vessels less 20%
for annual stay - less 20% (this is very unclear in meaning and cover) - I presume it covers only payment in advance for a year.
Further 10% in the case of a single payment - which might indicate that 20% above is available for monthly - but how can they be sure the boat will stay for a year!
NOTE: It appears from this para
d. For the total length of more than (12) meters per month eight (8) per meter, calculated from the first measure. The charge is reduced by twenty percent (20%) for recreational vessels and professional tourist imeroploia provided the exclusive business use.

that the discounts 20% plus 20% are ONLY available for fully professional boats. so for the time being assume we will get only the €8 p/m with no discount. Cheese


12.1 metres €96.80p/m less 20% = €77.44 less 20% annual disc - €61.95
13 metres €104 p/m less 20% = €83.20 less 20% annual disc = €66.56
15 metres €120 p/m less 20% = €96.00 less 20% annual disc = €76.80
I have not illustrated the extra 10% and have worked each discount as taking off at each stage of the calculation. It may be that you add them up and discount as one calculation.
It appears that there is an electronic payment method - no knowledge of what this contains yet - but is very important detail.
 
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Well done again Chris, it's good to see the CA is keeping on top of this tax. I assume these substantial reductions are due at least in part to the pressure the CA has been applying?
 

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Well done again Chris, it's good to see the CA is keeping on top of this tax. I assume these substantial reductions are due at least in part to the pressure the CA has been applying?
Tony, the rate has dropped from 10 to 8 euro per meter - there were no discounts before either, so still bloody expensive.

The marginal rate from moving from a 11.9 metre yacht at €33 p/m to a 12.0 metre yacht at €96 is huge and utterly unreasonable - I will be objecting again to this.

The document is almost identical to the previous law with the amounts changed. It is worth noting that the law is still only in draft. Once it is signed off they will still need to work out how to do it. So speculating - not for this year. No doubt the new DEKPA is about setting up the register of Vessels?????
 

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That's easy to deal with, I will just stay away from Greece until they sort the mess out. I bet Croatia and Turkey are rubbing their hands with delight.

At that rate an 12> can have 3 months cruising in Croatia for less then 2 months in Greece ,
I still say if this ever get off the ground there be a big exit out of Greece that's without boats not bothing to go there in the first place .
 

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Tony, the rate has dropped from 10 to 8 euro per meter - there were no discounts before either, so still bloody expensive.

The marginal rate from moving from a 11.9 metre yacht at €33 p/m to a 12.0 metre yacht at €96 is huge and utterly unreasonable - I will be objecting again to this.

The document is almost identical to the previous law with the amounts changed. It is worth noting that the law is still only in draft. Once it is signed off they will still need to work out how to do it. So speculating - not for this year. No doubt the new DEKPA is about setting up the register of Vessels?????

Actually, and now that we've had a native Greek translate it instead of Google Translate the two 20% discounts mentioned above apply only to professional tripper boats, not private leisure yachts. (Google translated the Greek for 'professional trip boat' into 'recreational vessel' - hence the confusion). Thus even with the reduction to 8 Euros per meter for over 12m boats (thanks to the CA) the Greek government's cynical replacement of the previous 30% discount for paying for a year with a measly 10% discount makes this version of the tax more expensive.

Say what you like about the effectiveness of the CA, but the 2 Euros per meter reduction probably would not have happened without their involvement, and I don't see any other sailing organisation achieving any changes to this law at all. A law of which, incidentally, the EU is the main protagonist. The rumour from the MoS is that they don't want to implement it but the EU is insisting that it's needed to raise more taxes.

I am still thus firmly of the opinion that the CA's cooperative approach does make a difference and that the total opposition approach is doomed to abject failure and will likely leave us with an even bigger tax to pay.

It is time to face the fact that this tax is going to happen, and soon, and if the other sailing associations would join with the CA (and the Greek Marinas Association) to present a united front we might be able to get this tax implemented at an acceptable and affordable rate.
 

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How difficult would it be if you did reduce the O/L on the registration document ,surely the other papers Bill of sale /original DEPTA would be checked ?

I know of two people who did exactly this (reduced their stated length) with their SSR registration when the very first cruising tax was proposed. One was issued without question, the other was asked how his boat had become shorter and he said he'd removed a swim platform.
 

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I know of two people who did exactly this (reduced their stated length) with their SSR registration when the very first cruising tax was proposed. One was issued without question, the other was asked how his boat had become shorter and he said he'd removed a swim platform.

So just make sure you don't give them the old Dekpa with the length of the boat on it. Easy for some one coming from Turkey who would not need to show the old DEKPA.
 

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That's easy to deal with, I will just stay away from Greece until they sort the mess out. I bet Croatia and Turkey are rubbing their hands with delight.

Well, I thought of putting off our plans to leave Croatia for Greece in 2014 for the original "new tax" and really would have missed the 2 and half seasons there before returning to Croatia for this year. Croatia is and I'm sure will remain more expensive until Greece gets it's act together on this one. So for a long time to come, and I think any attempts to guess at Greek timing will be done by wiser people than me.
 
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