Planty
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I'll start you off for 10 with:
Does the Hutton report have the touch of Alistair Campbell upon it ??
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Does the Hutton report have the touch of Alistair Campbell upon it ??
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Go on then!!! (NB)
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yep. blair starts an investigation that follows terms of reference that he decides and which amazingly clears him and his mates of anything. Earlier, AC's own emails referred to a major rewrite "in progress" of the intelligence info. I am also unconvinced that Kelly committed suicide.
Saddest thing is that a govt with such a massive majority, such hope for change has spent almost 7 years discussing/arguing about scottish parliaments, welsh assemblies, london mayors, foxhunting, and invading iraq, all of which seem to be based on merely righteous yet juvenile principles, desperately following what the papers say and trying to look good without achieving very much at all.
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Saddest thing is that a govt with such a massive majority, such hope for change has spent almost 7 years discussing/arguing about scottish parliaments, welsh assemblies, london mayors, foxhunting, and invading iraq, all of which seem to be based on merely righteous yet juvenile principles, desperately following what the papers say and trying to look good without achieving very much at all.
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nicho
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The actual report seems to have little in common with much of the evidence that was heard during the Enquiry (as was highlighted by Gavin Davies in his resignation statement). His Lordship is, I'm sure, impartial, but he seems to have missed various important points along the way. I cannot believe the Government was found to be completely free of all blame/interference, in spite of Hutton's "findings". The evidence points to other conlusions than those found by Hutton. Blair has not I'm sure got away with this. The report was SO onesoided that it disqualifies itself, so as to be irrelevant, and will be dismissed by most who took time to note the actual evidence given, and laid before the enquiry. The Government has overegged ("sexed up?) this whole issue, to divert attention away from more important questions......
Now, where CAN those WMD's be.....?.
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Now, where CAN those WMD's be.....?.
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Dave_Snelson
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Now you've done it!! You've got me up on my soap-box shouting "whitewash" and "liars". What a pack of governmental crap this is. Blair and his government will get my decision at the next election.
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This sums up exactly what I feel about this government. Trouble is - its starting to taint my view of the UK as a whole.
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mrloudly
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I heard the next Labour election campaign will be promoting "Teflon Tone"
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Dave_Snelson
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Yes - I can see it all now.....Tony Blair leaves politics to manufacture his own excellent brand of anti-foul paint!
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Bejasus
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Yes, this whole thing has the gangrenous stink of a Campbell finger in the Hutton pie. Now the SOB has the audacity to call for more BBC resignations. Pretty rich coming from the biggest twister of truth Governmant has ever had. The BBC definitely needs a clean out, IMHO, however, for this git to call for it is beyond belief. Having used the media as a puppet when it suited them, they now turn on it to get themselves out of the S!?te when it suits them. Blair has betrayed the people of this country in more ways than one, and is on the verge of becoming infamous.
We all have a laugh at the antics of Bush. There it is expected, with Blair here, it is shameful.
Rant over. Grrrrr.
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We all have a laugh at the antics of Bush. There it is expected, with Blair here, it is shameful.
Rant over. Grrrrr.
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Planty
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Sorry, my blood pressure is under constant review too. Mind you I'm pretty apolitical really ie: they're all lying b*****ds, so not a lot of suprises. Plus I refuse to have a News Paper in the house cos they're no better, thus quite concerned as only point of reference was hopefully unbiased reporting on BBC. Terry Waite and John McCarthy depended upon the world service and I would like to think that generally the Beeb is "Neutral", am I naive?? I admit to not having voted recently though, as no matter what I thought around here, if they put up a Chimp with a blue rosette on, it would be my representative, come what may. I'd like to see the middle road, Not Blue, Not Red, Not Yellow, Not Green, Not PC Crazy, just a reasonably honest, decent, bunch, no chance! Now that is Naive. Paul
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Planty
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Re Bush., Best laugh I've had this week is the one circulating on the net of a "shaven" lady shouting: "Read My Lips, No more Bush!" Brilliant. Paul
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MedDreamer
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No not naive, IMHO the BBC remains the most reliable and neutral source of news in the world. There is no doubt they made mistakes in handling the Gilligan story but that doesn't invalidate the entire orgainisation.
Hutton may even be right in saying that in this particular case the BBC were more culpable than the Government but I find it unbelievable and incredible that the findings were so black and white. Anyone who has followed the Inquiry knows that that the government has questions to answer. Hutton may be unimpeachable but he is not infallible (thats reserved for the Pope).
Now I hear Campbell say that politicians are more honourable than journalists.
Yeh right - this is coming from a guy who helped create the spin culture which gave us the "burying bad news" episode on Sept 11 2001.
Fortunately we live in a society where we are free to choose (a fact which this government dont like) so I will continue to make my choices - Tonight I will push the button on my TV remote control to watch the BBC news and at the next election I know where my cross WON'T be going.
A bit of sincerity or genuine humility from the likes of Blair and Reid would be welcome wouldn't it
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Hutton may even be right in saying that in this particular case the BBC were more culpable than the Government but I find it unbelievable and incredible that the findings were so black and white. Anyone who has followed the Inquiry knows that that the government has questions to answer. Hutton may be unimpeachable but he is not infallible (thats reserved for the Pope).
Now I hear Campbell say that politicians are more honourable than journalists.
Yeh right - this is coming from a guy who helped create the spin culture which gave us the "burying bad news" episode on Sept 11 2001.
Fortunately we live in a society where we are free to choose (a fact which this government dont like) so I will continue to make my choices - Tonight I will push the button on my TV remote control to watch the BBC news and at the next election I know where my cross WON'T be going.
A bit of sincerity or genuine humility from the likes of Blair and Reid would be welcome wouldn't it
Martyn
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ulava
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Who gives shit,try a web site that deals with politics (Dont vote it only encourages them) annan
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ulava
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who gives a sh*t, if you feel that you realy must then try web site on politics,(Dont vote it only encourages them)
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Robin
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Hutton did exactly what he was asked to do. If he was expected to come up with any other result than he did, he would not have been the one asked to do the job.
As far as the BBC are concerned, I always felt and still do that some of their political commentators/reporters are actually Blair/Labour fans, although apparently not enough according to New Labour and their spinnies.
Will I still trust BBC FACTUAL reporting, yes indeed, they are still streets ahead around the world along with ITN and even SKY. I watched a lot of TV news in the USA during the Iraq war and can see what distortions and tactical ommissions were put out over there. CNN USA for example showed much less of what went on than the CNN which you see in Europe, if you wanted to see unbiased news you had to watch the minor college channels and others that carried BBC news and had dissentors not just pro Bush fans in their discussion programmes. A large part of the USA people STILL believe Iraq was about revenge for 9/11, that view is still promoted or at least goes unchallenged by the USA media.
Will I ever trust Blairs government? Not likely, not ever, I never did believe it and never will. This is the exception to the rule that you get what you pay for, in this case we are paying dearly for it with nothing to show.
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As far as the BBC are concerned, I always felt and still do that some of their political commentators/reporters are actually Blair/Labour fans, although apparently not enough according to New Labour and their spinnies.
Will I still trust BBC FACTUAL reporting, yes indeed, they are still streets ahead around the world along with ITN and even SKY. I watched a lot of TV news in the USA during the Iraq war and can see what distortions and tactical ommissions were put out over there. CNN USA for example showed much less of what went on than the CNN which you see in Europe, if you wanted to see unbiased news you had to watch the minor college channels and others that carried BBC news and had dissentors not just pro Bush fans in their discussion programmes. A large part of the USA people STILL believe Iraq was about revenge for 9/11, that view is still promoted or at least goes unchallenged by the USA media.
Will I ever trust Blairs government? Not likely, not ever, I never did believe it and never will. This is the exception to the rule that you get what you pay for, in this case we are paying dearly for it with nothing to show.
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Althorne
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Like it Dave. I'd love to spread him all over my bottom>>>>>>>>>>.
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MedDreamer
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Have you seen Fox News? Frightening that a good percentage of the electorate of the most powerful nation on earth actually think this is balanced reporting
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Robin
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Yes absolutely. I made a few comments about USA news services that did not go down at all well at the time with family and friends there (SWMBO is American). There was though a 'quiet' minority with doubts, many having seen news programmes themselves whilst outside the US or some programmes originating from outside the US. I was seeing these programmes during the Iraq war having seen the start of the conflict on the news over here and the differences were amazing. One minor channel (I think from Butler University) did point out the differences and said that for financial reasons the US media would not rock the boat, plus the intense patriotism there meant they could not criticise without being accused of not backing their troops, not the case at all. The difference in the UK newspapers we took which had probably 40% of content about Iraq and the US papers where it was more like one page was amazing, I was left hungry for REAL news the whole time during that visit.
We should be very thankful for our BBC/ITN/SKY and pray that Blair and his buddies cannot yet apply the pressures that his puppetmaster apparently enjoys. They appear to be trying hard!
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We should be very thankful for our BBC/ITN/SKY and pray that Blair and his buddies cannot yet apply the pressures that his puppetmaster apparently enjoys. They appear to be trying hard!
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oldgit
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Re: Go on blame the ref. (NB)
Curious that when Lord Hutton was appointed, the goverments detractors sagely said ,Wot a good bloke very thorough and fair etc etc.Now,when the results do not even give them a titchy straw to cling to as they rush headlong into distant third political partyness,all has changed ie.lord Hutton esq must be deaf dumb blind and bit thick to boot.Never mind lads better luck next time.
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Curious that when Lord Hutton was appointed, the goverments detractors sagely said ,Wot a good bloke very thorough and fair etc etc.Now,when the results do not even give them a titchy straw to cling to as they rush headlong into distant third political partyness,all has changed ie.lord Hutton esq must be deaf dumb blind and bit thick to boot.Never mind lads better luck next time.
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nicho
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The sad part is, in 12/18 months time we, as a country are so bloody stupid, this will all be forgotton, and he'll be voted in again. God forbid, please, NO!!!
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Robin
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Inevitable I am afraid
But not with my help!
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But not with my help!
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