Go Big or Go Home?

[kashurst]

Having had a mid cabin boat, I wouldn't rush to get another, unless the boat was 60' plus. At anchor a mid cabin is quieter because you don't get the hull slapping effect on the bows if the wind blows. However when you are in a marina you DO get the tap tap tap, creaks, and squeaks of the fenders rubbing on your neighbours boat. Also - and this depends on the boat design - in a mid cabin you are closer to the machinery and get more noise from generator and the air con compressors and water pumps if they are in the engine bay etc. As for big hull windows - they look great, especially out at sea, but don't forget to pull the curtains/drop the blinds when you are in the marina to avoid any embarrassing moments. The neighbours can see in from their bedrooms/side decks

I'm afraid its another vote for a Phantom 50 or similar from me if a '58 is too much too soon. My 50' (a Sealine T50) used to do about 0.7mpg at cruise if it was very clean. 0.6mpg otherwise. About 160 litres/hour give or take.
Pootling at 9 - 10 kns was about 2 mpg from memory

 

[Hooligan]

At Med fuel prices that seems a bit optimistic for a 55...? 250-300 litres per hour.

You would be really shifting to consume that amount. I consume circa 160 to 170 l ph at 18 knots if bottom relatively clean. On a S 58. If you want to Pootle then a stabiliser would help . And that opens up a whole new debate ??

 

[Sticky Fingers]

You would be really shifting to consume that amount. I consume circa 160 to 170 l ph at 18 knots if bottom relatively clean. On a S 58. If you want to Pootle then a stabiliser would help . And that opens up a whole new debate ??

Wow. That's not per engine is it?

Makes my modest 44'er on outdrives look like an alcoholic at 70-110lph between 18 and 28kts... I need a bigger boat.

 

[Sticky Fingers]

.... I need a bigger boat.

And the sq 58 looks like a LOT of boat for the money. @GravyStain, that's got to be a winner.

 

[Hooligan]

The 58 has huge flaps that really push the nose down. This saves on fuel and makes for a more comfortable ride unless waves behind when not recommended unless surfing is your thing.

 

[GravyStain]

Squaddie 58 for sale in your Marina Hurricane.

Fairline Squadron 58 Used Boat for Sale 2008 | TheYachtMarket

 

[GravyStain]

And the sq 58 looks like a LOT of boat for the money. @GravyStain, that's got to be a winner.

Scala, I know...and I'd be ready for it in 3 years. I want to get on the water sooner. Baaah!

I'm trying to clip my wings in the short term, but it's difficult.

 

[GravyStain]

The 58 has huge flaps that really push the nose down. This saves on fuel and makes for a more comfortable ride unless waves behind when not recommended unless surfing is your thing.

Excuse my ignorance but when you say flaps do you mean trim tabs?

 

[Hooligan]

Excuse my ignorance but when you say flaps do you mean trim tabs?

Yes. For example the trim tabs on the 58 are probably twice the size of the S 65. Porto’s Italian boats have bikinis for tabs I suspect ?? in comparison. On a more serious note I suspect that few would argue here that the S58 is a great Med boat all around. Flybridge is excellent, she moves through the water really well, accommodation is good although no mid master if you want that, storage excellent and she probably passes as a 15 m boat if you want to try your luck at marinas you visit!! Plus you have access to the flybridge from the rear and also from inside which is a great design really as you will spend quite a bit of time moving cutlery and food upstairs.

 

[Hooligan]

 

[GravyStain]

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Damn that's a good looking boat.

 

[Bouba]

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That one isn’t suitable for the Med. It doesn’t have underwater lights

 

[Chris H]

Go big, look at as many boats as you can, difficult in these times but as soon as lockdown finishes, make enquiries and get on a plane, you’ll know when you walk on the right boat.

People want different things from their boat, looking at as many as possible will give you ideas, for instance, we only looked at one fly bridge boat and instantly knew it wasn’t what we were looking for, not to say we wouldn’t buy one in the future.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Having had a mid cabin boat, I wouldn't rush to get another, unless the boat was 60' plus. At anchor a mid cabin is quieter because you don't get the hull slapping effect on the bows if the wind blows. However when you are in a marina you DO get the tap tap tap, creaks, and squeaks of the fenders rubbing on your neighbours boat. Also - and this depends on the boat design - in a mid cabin you are closer to the machinery and get more noise from generator and the air con compressors and water pumps if they are in the engine bay etc. As for big hull windows - they look great, especially out at sea, but don't forget to pull the curtains/drop the blinds when you are in the marina to avoid any embarrassing moments. The neighbours can see in from their bedrooms/side decks

I also think that being closer to the machinery, mid cabins can be hotter than a bow cabin at night and because there's no overhead hatch its difficult to get a flow of cooling air through the cabin so you tend to run the a/c more

 

[MapisM]

Correct. Bow cabins do have their purpose, all considered.
Btw, air flow at anchor is much better just by opening the side portholes, even with the top hatch closed.
And the hatch is also a safety feature, by the way.
Generally speaking, imho on anything below 60 feet or so, a mid master cabin is not worth the loss of space elsewhere.
With the only exception of aft cabin boats, possibly.
But boys, aren't they ugly...?

 

[GravyStain]

Yes they are!

 

[MapisM]

looking at as many as possible will give you ideas

I couldn't agree more.
In my last boat search, I've seen 76 boat in total (all flybridges, anywhere between 52 and 65 feet).
And among them, 48 were different models.
That was MUCH more fun than any boat show, btw.

 

[GravyStain]

I couldn't agree more.
In my last boat search, I've seen 76 boat in total (all flybridges, anywhere between 52 and 65 feet).
And among them, 48 were different models.
That was MUCH more fun than any boat show, btw.

Wow - that deserves a medal!

Life is made a tad easier by the internet these days by immediately weeding out some of the chaff. Here's an example that is the right price, but I couldn't live with the interior...
Fairline Squadron 58 Used Boat for Sale 2002 | TheYachtMarket

Saves a long phone conversation and possible visit.

You're spot on though - I doubt I will buy the first one I see.

 

[BartW]

Bart just out of interest, what is the coastline like in the immediate vicinity of Cagliari? Are there good anchorages within say 10nm of the city or do you have to go further? I know the coastline around Teulada is pretty spectacular but that must be at least an hour's cruise from Cagliari or am I wrong?

here just a bit further (3-4 nm) is cape St Elia, there are a few very nice coves,
and behind the cape is Poetto, a huge busy sandy beach (the main beach from Cagliari) turquoize water !

there are some nice bay's near Pula, (12..13nm) west side of CAG bay, and even better on the east side of the bay south of Capitana (15nm).
Villasimius and capo Carbonara I think you know is very nice, but at 20nm from here, so not really for a day trip, ok for a weekend trip.

what's lacking here closeby is other nice marina's, Carloforte is a gem, but 60nm from here, and Villasimius are the only nice marina's here in the south.
marina Teulada nor Capitana are nothing special

 

[GravyStain]

I would expect a 50 footer to be between 50% and 75% of that burn rate - with similar (50%) Pootling split.

Interesting there Hurricane - nice vids too. 2/3rd burn rate makes the figures more palatable How much is a litre of diesel in the med these days?