Galileo bias from the BBC ... ?

[timbartlett]

"Interoperable" - a tad misleading, methinks ? The 'interoperability' will only apply to new receivers which are yet to be manufactured - what they don't mention in the article is that you will NOT be able to receive Galileo signals on any existing GPS receivers. Which may come as bad news to anyone who has just shelled-out serious money on a state-of-the-art GPS-only receiver.

Well according to the instruction manual for a £350 quid Standard Horizon chart plotter it will. I doubt whether it's the only one.

After all, the Galileo test satellites (called Giove A and Giove B) were launched in 2005 and 2008 -- it's not as though there hasn't been plenty of time to prepare!

 

[st599]

Remember Galileo - the system which was to be fully operable in 2008 at the latest, with start of signal transmission in 2005 ? - well, they've finally getting 2 test birds off the ground:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15372540


I always thought the BBC was supposed to unbiased in it's reporting ?

They say: "But the systems [Navstar-GPS & Galileo] will be interoperable, meaning the biggest, most obvious benefit to users will simply be the fact that they can see more satellites in the sky."

"Interoperable" - a tad misleading, methinks ? The 'interoperability' will only apply to new receivers which are yet to be manufactured - what they don't mention in the article is that you will NOT be able to receive Galileo signals on any existing GPS receivers. Which may come as bad news to anyone who has just shelled-out serious money on a state-of-the-art GPS-only receiver.

You're wrong, GPS IIIA civil signalling is interoperable with Galileo civil signalling. So modern GPS receivers can use Galileo satellites. Galileo has a second frequency which then gives the greater accuracy.

 

[maxi77]

You're wrong, GPS IIIA civil signalling is interoperable with Galileo civil signalling. So modern GPS receivers can use Galileo satellites. Galileo has a second frequency which then gives the greater accuracy.

So any GPS rx will see a Galileo signal as just the same as a GPS signal and compute your position from it.

 

[st599]

So any GPS rx will see a Galileo signal as just the same as a GPS signal and compute your position from it.

That's the plan.

 

[maxi77]

That's the plan.

Wow thats remarkably joined up

 

[Seagreen]

...

never know though..... as a former staffer and long time freelancer ,,, dirt cheap to employ .....no need to insure or train me ..... might get some work





Dylan

Might even go back to listening to R4. 'A hack in the borders' used to be the highlight of my working day, years ago.

 

[Koeketiene]

this thread is mental.

+1

 

[dylanwinter]

radio 4 jewel in the crown

Might even go back to listening to R4. 'A hack in the borders' used to be the highlight of my working day, years ago.

there is really nothing like radio four anywhere else in the world

it is an utter gem

I would hate to contemplate life without it - certainly as a radio 4 listener

but they have more or less given up on travel programmes

and things are going to get tighter and tighter

but there will be lots of phone-ins to listen to

Dylan

PS. Molly is dead - but the foal is still alive

 

[alan_d]

"Eppur si muove."

 

[DogWatch]

there is really nothing like radio four anywhere else in the world

it is an utter gem

I would hate to contemplate life without it - certainly as a radio 4 listener

but they have more or less given up on travel programmes

and things are going to get tighter and tighter

but there will be lots of phone-ins to listen to

Dylan

PS. Molly is dead - but the foal is still alive

I too love R4 but get fed up with an audience which is killing it. It is not allowed to modernise and seems fixated on broadcasting to a minority audience unduly preoccupied with greenfly, thrips and menopause. They dared to remove sailing by and questions were asked in parliament. R4 has ceased to educate and has become a comfort blanket for middle England.

If it wasn't for the 1130, 1830 and 2300 slot... in fact, the best thing at present about radio 4 is 4xtra... and I'm a fan

Give it a rest on gardening programs eh?

oh, and more stuff such as infinite monkey cage and history stuff please.

Dylan... I don't know if you still have the ear of anyone at R4, but can you ask them to stop pi55ing about with the 4xtra schedule, some of us are trying to record the output to listen to at more convenient times.

 

[DogWatch]

Oh yes, and while I'm at it, Radio 3, stop looking for obscure stuff with an attempt to be high brow, it prevents people such as myself who enjoys Classical but needs an 'in'. How about an hour a day of popular classics at 'drive time' to educate those of us looking to find their taste, explaining a little bit what we are listening to and why it is so good. Anyone can just line up 3 hours of music and play pieces one after the other, tell us why it is better in G than C and why conductor A made it sound different to conductor B.

Shame, if they did that the pull-up-the-ladder audience would moan profusely, we see the same moans to YBW when they run starter articles in the magazines as though everyone is one the same rung knowledge wise.

 

[elton]

I too love R4 but get fed up with an audience which is killing it. It is not allowed to modernise and seems fixated on broadcasting to a minority audience unduly preoccupied with greenfly, thrips and menopause. They dared to remove sailing by and questions were asked in parliament. R4 has ceased to educate and has become a comfort blanket for middle England.

If it wasn't for the 1130, 1830 and 2300 slot... in fact, the best thing at present about radio 4 is 4xtra... and I'm a fan

Give it a rest on gardening programs eh?

oh, and more stuff such as infinite monkey cage and history stuff please.

Dylan... I don't know if you still have the ear of anyone at R4, but can you ask them to stop pi55ing about with the 4xtra schedule, some of us are trying to record the output to listen to at more convenient times.

Oh yes, and while I'm at it, Radio 3, stop looking for obscure stuff with an attempt to be high brow, it prevents people such as myself who enjoys Classical but needs an 'in'. How about an hour a day of popular classics at 'drive time' to educate those of us looking to find their taste, explaining a little bit what we are listening to and why it is so good. Anyone can just line up 3 hours of music and play pieces one after the other, tell us why it is better in G than C and why conductor A made it sound different to conductor B.

Shame, if they did that the pull-up-the-ladder audience would moan profusely, we see the same moans to YBW when they run starter articles in the magazines as though everyone is one the same rung knowledge wise.

Appearing quite reactionary there DW

I'm getting fed up with R4 with their efforts to appeal to every sad minority under the sun, whilst virtually ignoring the indigenous white British populace.

 

[dylanwinter]

nope

I too love R4 but get fed up with an audience which is killing it. Dylan... I don't know if you still have the ear of anyone at R4, but can you ask them to stop pi55ing about with the 4xtra schedule, some of us are trying to record the output to listen to at more convenient times.

Not sure you quite understand the R4 pecking order and how far down it I am

Despite earning most of my income from BBC radio over the past couple of decades the last Radio 4 controller I ever met was at least 15 years ago.

have you considered using listen again for the R4 extra progs

having said that...R4 extra - navy lark - incredibly non PC

ditto "I am sorry I will read that again" - "Berkiss way"

it seems we were all sexist/racist/religionist pigs in the 70's

Dylan

 

[Rigger Mortice]

Not sure you quite understand the R4 pecking order and how far down it I am

Despite earning most of my income from BBC radio over the past couple of decades the last Radio 4 controller I ever met was at least 15 years ago.

have you considered using listen again for the R4 extra progs

having said that...R4 extra - navy lark - incredibly non PC

ditto "I am sorry I will read that again" - "Berkiss way"

it seems we were all sexist/racist/religionist pigs in the 70's

Dylan

Dylan,

I enjoy you posts. I really do. But why is everything double spaced?

It makes



it


hard

to read at


times. I have to try to

work out what you

are



saying.
Just curious.

 

[dylanwinter]

aha

Dylan,

I enjoy you posts. I really do. But why is everything double spaced?

It makes



it


hard

to read at


times. I have to try to

work out what you

are



saying.
Just curious.

October 23 2011

Dylan Winter
Old Post Office
Winslow


Dear Mr Rigger,

I hope you are well. Thanks you for your recent communication including your perspicacious highlighting the occasional use of space in some of my posts on the interweb.

The reason that I tend to use space in place of punctuation is partly a hangover from 30 years of writing scripts designed to be read out loud from behind a desk while wearing a dinner jacket and dickie.

I have also spent a lot of time working on the new interweb where space costs nothing. There is a theory, which I partially accept, that punctuation was a way of saving vellum and parchment which was extremely expensive. So in an effort to push all the words close together and still allowing them to make sense they would put a full stop in telling you to take a breath and capital letter telling you to make sure you have your lungs full (methaphorically or in reality) ready for the next bit.

I do know one chap who prints out all his incoming emails, corrects them and then sends them back to the people who dispatched them either in the internal post or via the Post Office. Surely that is not you.

By punctuating and closing everything up very tightly you are betraying your age and not moving with the times

innit

yours faithfully

Dylan

 

[Cantata]

If

There was a

vote on the best

series of posts of the

week this would be

my choice.

 

[Rigger Mortice]

October 23 2011

Dylan Winter
Old Post Office
Winslow


Dear Mr Rigger,

I hope you are well. Thanks you for your recent communication including your perspicacious highlighting the occasional use of space in some of my posts on the interweb.

The reason that I tend to use space in place of punctuation is partly a hangover from 30 years of writing scripts designed to be read out loud from behind a desk while wearing a dinner jacket and dickie.

I have also spent a lot of time working on the new interweb where space costs nothing. There is a theory, which I partially accept, that punctuation was a way of saving vellum and parchment which was extremely expensive. So in an effort to push all the words close together and still allowing them to make sense they would put a full stop in telling you to take a breath and capital letter telling you to make sure you have your lungs full (methaphorically or in reality) ready for the next bit.

I do know one chap who prints out all his incoming emails, corrects them and then sends them back to the people who dispatched them either in the internal post or via the Post Office. Surely that is not you.

By punctuating and closing everything up very tightly you are betraying your age and not moving with the times

innit

yours faithfully

Dylan

As I said, I do enjoy your posts, but I didn't realise that I was supposed to don formal wear to read them.

You're not trying to subtly imply that I am a doddery old fart are you? On a scale of 1 to 10 how much offence would you like me to take?

I'm off to complain to the moderators. I'll give my solicitor a call in the morning.

 

[Sgeir]

Anyone can just line up 3 hours of music and play pieces one after the other, tell us why it is better in G than C and why conductor A made it sound different to conductor B.

Quite a few of their programmes do that. "Composer of the Week" is accessible for all I should have thought, imho, as is "Building a Library". Despite its title, the latter is not a DIY programme but one that reviews and compares recordings of the same pieces of music.

EDIT: There is also CD Review which is interesting if you want to learn more about interpretation.

 

[bluerm166]

surprised at Dylan's comment

I am surprised to read your comment in this thread about the speech characteristics of a reporter on 'From our own Correspondent'.This is one of the very best R4 programmes with well written reports from people on the ground so I can't see why you find it necessary to pick out what may be an impediment or quite possibly a reflection of native tongue in one of the well delivered items.
If you want to criticise delivery on R4 then I personally would go for the mechanical and colourless delivery of the current male presenters on You and Yours or the World at One who are the nearest thing you might get to a delivery by a computer.

 

[Koeketiene]

"Eppur si muove."