Galileo bias from the BBC ... ?

[electrosys]

Remember Galileo - the system which was to be fully operable in 2008 at the latest, with start of signal transmission in 2005 ? - well, they've finally getting 2 test birds off the ground:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15372540


I always thought the BBC was supposed to unbiased in it's reporting ?

They say: "But the systems [Navstar-GPS & Galileo] will be interoperable, meaning the biggest, most obvious benefit to users will simply be the fact that they can see more satellites in the sky."

"Interoperable" - a tad misleading, methinks ? The 'interoperability' will only apply to new receivers which are yet to be manufactured - what they don't mention in the article is that you will NOT be able to receive Galileo signals on any existing GPS receivers. Which may come as bad news to anyone who has just shelled-out serious money on a state-of-the-art GPS-only receiver.

 

[Cantata]

Never suspect a conspiracy until you have eliminated incompetence...

 

[Cornishman]

I read somewhere a while ago that the current GPS system is approaching the end of its planned lifespan. When is that. I wonder? And does the US (military?) have plans for a replacement using similar frequencies etc?

 

[ianfr]

Never suspect a conspiracy until you have eliminated incompetence...

+1

BBC expertise in Technology reporting is approximately 0.

It is either hysterical reporting on a Virus that has been known about for weeks, or some total twaddle by someone who apparently knows squat about technology. Just symptoms of a lowering of standards at the beeb.



Ian

 

[dylanwinter]

In some measure

+1

BBC expertise in Technology reporting is approximately 0.

It is either hysterical reporting on a Virus that has been known about for weeks, or some total twaddle by someone who apparently knows squat about technology. Just symptoms of a lowering of standards at the beeb.



Ian

I assume the item was a quicky cut and past job - possibly by a work experience child

forgive them for they know not what they do


BBC has been forcing all its specialist hacks and producers to re-apply for their jobs

the idea is to cut their wages to downgrade the ones they want to keep

and then let some of them go

tough times - 20 per cent job losses

so there will be more phone-ine and repeats on radio 4

5 live has let lots of people go as well

expect more repeats

never know though..... as a former staffer and long time freelancer ,,, dirt cheap to employ .....no need to insure or train me ..... might get some work





Dylan

 

[2Tizwoz]

Postponed again

http://rt.com/news/galileo-soyuz-rocket-launch-251/

but only 24hrs.

However the Russians own system http://rt.com/news/prime-time/glonass-alternative-gps-development-123/ is not without similar problems.

'Despite optimistic forecasts, GLONASS system has encountered numerous problems since it was launched. In December 2010, three satellites did not manage to reach orbit, which cost the Russian Space Agency billions in damages and the head of the agency his position'

 

[savageseadog]

It's quite simple, Galileo will be used by EU governments to charge us punters lots of money for doing naughty things like driving our cars. The EU couldn't possibly use a US owned and run system to generate revenue.

 

[pugwash94]

I assume the item was a quicky cut and past job - possibly by a work experience child

forgive them for they know not what they do


BBC has been forcing all its specialist hacks and producers to re-apply for their jobs

the idea is to cut their wages to downgrade the ones they want to keep

and then let some of them go

tough times - 20 per cent job losses

so there will be more phone-ine and repeats on radio 4

5 live has let lots of people go as well

expect more repeats

never know though..... as a former staffer and long time freelancer ,,, dirt cheap to employ .....no need to insure or train me ..... might get some work

Dylan

A I was with a colleague when he made a short presentation at a Royal Television Society seminar when they were reviewing the direction of equipment shown at the broadcast industry technical show. The concentration is on highly expensive new systems that can deliver ever more pixels and lines on televisions - even though they recognise that fewer people than expected are even watching HD.
My colleague was demonstrating that for many things - particularly in journalism and general reporting it makes more sense to do it with far less expensive equipment.
The two films on the links below were filmed using an Iphone with a few apps and add-ons. They were shot, edited and uploaded in about 20 minutes by one person!
http://www.icmbusinessvideo.co.uk/component/content/article/7/59-apps-a-gizmos.html
http://www.icmbusinessvideo.co.uk/component/content/article/7/58-kate-russel-at.html
When the Companies understand what is happening in their industry they will be able to retain more of the experts and tell the story better.

 

[Sandy]

I assume the item was a quicky cut and past job - possibly by a work experience child

forgive them for they know not what they do


BBC has been forcing all its specialist hacks and producers to re-apply for their jobs

the idea is to cut their wages to downgrade the ones they want to keep

and then let some of them go

tough times - 20 per cent job losses

so there will be more phone-ine and repeats on radio 4

5 live has let lots of people go as well

expect more repeats

never know though..... as a former staffer and long time freelancer ,,, dirt cheap to employ .....no need to insure or train me ..... might get some work


Dylan

That might explain why they 'murdered' Nigel in the Archers; and why I stopped listening.

 

[dylanwinter]

I am sure yu are correct

A I was with a colleague when he made a short presentation at a Royal Television Society seminar when they were reviewing the direction of equipment shown at the broadcast industry technical show. The concentration is on highly expensive new systems that can deliver ever more pixels and lines on televisions - even though they recognise that fewer people than expected are even watching HD.
My colleague was demonstrating that for many things - particularly in journalism and general reporting it makes more sense to do it with far less expensive equipment.
The two films on the links below were filmed using an Iphone with a few apps and add-ons. They were shot, edited and uploaded in about 20 minutes by one person!
http://www.icmbusinessvideo.co.uk/component/content/article/7/59-apps-a-gizmos.html
http://www.icmbusinessvideo.co.uk/component/content/article/7/58-kate-russel-at.html
When the Companies understand what is happening in their industry they will be able to retain more of the experts and tell the story better.

I am sure you are correct

I have put a lot of effort into making ktl in HD

I have been posting the films in small windows 350 x 227 pixels in the belief that people might watch the small ones for a while and then decide it is worth forking out £3.00 to see the 200 odd films in HD

what a deranged and deluded fool I am

while the website traffic rose exponentially - the subscriptions stayed flat at about 600

as a few non subscribers told me - they watch the films to see what happens next and to pick up the odd techie idea or technique (not from KTL surely - please don't)

so no incentive to upgrade to the full size

so in an effort to envcourage freewatchers to become downloaders I have reduced ths size of the free film to a thumbnail 200 x 122

about the size of a christmas postage stamp

it has been up for 18 hours and at the last count 300 people had watched the postage stamp

here

http://www.keepturningleft.co.uk/video-logs/ktl-vlog-154-wells-bar/

to watch something so small for 12 minutes would drive me crazy..... but an awful lot of films are watched on iphones

so you are dead right

that aside I will continue to offer the films at better quality because - for instance - one bloke says that he watches the films on a projector

he has watched the three rivers race several times over while eating his tea - he says he spots something new every time

so what sort of crazy man am I?

Dylan

 

[DogWatch]

the bbc are to blame for the demise of DECCA too, bloody bbc and their lefty bias.

this thread is mental.

 

[maxi77]

It's quite simple, Galileo will be used by EU governments to charge us punters lots of money for doing naughty things like driving our cars. The EU couldn't possibly use a US owned and run system to generate revenue.

I think it is more to do with the reality that GPS was spawned by the US military and is configured so that non US military users can be denied both accuracy and even service at all. When your every day systems become dependant on sattelite navigation systems security of service becomes very important.

 

[Colvic Watson]

while the website traffic rose exponentially - the subscriptions stayed flat at about 600


Dylan

As an occasional subscriber I think the biggest improvement would be a rolling subscription, basically I forget to resubscribe

I would happily pay a small rolling monthly sub - perhaps along the lines of £2 for a month for the Dogs Trust - you could even produce a new strapline:

"we never put a healthy Dylan down"

.

 

[st599]

A I was with a colleague when he made a short presentation at a Royal Television Society seminar when they were reviewing the direction of equipment shown at the broadcast industry technical show. The concentration is on highly expensive new systems that can deliver ever more pixels and lines on televisions - even though they recognise that fewer people than expected are even watching HD.
My colleague was demonstrating that for many things - particularly in journalism and general reporting it makes more sense to do it with far less expensive equipment.
The two films on the links below were filmed using an Iphone with a few apps and add-ons. They were shot, edited and uploaded in about 20 minutes by one person!
http://www.icmbusinessvideo.co.uk/component/content/article/7/59-apps-a-gizmos.html
http://www.icmbusinessvideo.co.uk/component/content/article/7/58-kate-russel-at.html
When the Companies understand what is happening in their industry they will be able to retain more of the experts and tell the story better.

Someone else forced to endure IBC?

 

[dylanwinter]

roolling and thread drift

As an occasional subscriber I think the biggest improvement would be a rolling subscription, basically I forget to resubscribe

I would happily pay a small rolling monthly sub - perhaps along the lines of £2 for a month for the Dogs Trust - you could even produce a new strapline:

"we never put a healthy Dylan down"

.

apologies for the thread drift

I did have that facility for a while but a couple of people clicked it accidentally and then accued me of 'taking' money from their paypal account

you can please some of the people.....

bit like the poor old BBC

and the death of Nigel Pargetter

- I myself was pleased to see yet another a white middle aged male go from the BBC

- far too many of them around the place

they are all a useless anachronistic waste of space.

....at least in the opinion of some of the BBC managers and spread sheet jockies who have quotas to fill

what amazes me is how many BBC reporters now appear to have speach impediments - there was a woman on from our own correspondent this morning who could pronounce neither TH nor SH

I thought it was a parody at first

Dylan

 

[Sgeir]

They say: "But the systems [Navstar-GPS & Galileo] will be interoperable, meaning the biggest, most obvious benefit to users will simply be the fact that they can see more satellites in the sky."

"Interoperable" - a tad misleading, methinks ?

I rather doubt if any GPS user would seriously expect equipment, that was designed for the US system, to be able to take in Galileo. Both my sets, fixed and handheld are at least 12 - 15 years old. Why would I expect old kit to do things that it wasn't designed for?

In any event, the BBC must have been concerned about any possible misinterpretion. Their site now says,

But the plan is to make both systems interoperable...

We'll see.

 

[dylanwinter]

yesss

I rather doubt if any GPS user would seriously expect equipment, that was designed for the US system, to be able to take in Galileo. Both my sets, fixed and handheld are at least 12 - 15 years old. Why would I expect old kit to do things that it wasn't designed for?

In any event, the BBC must have been concerned about any possible misinterpretion. Their site now says,


We'll see.

it was us what done it

blimey I hope they have not noticed my other comments about this wonderful organisation

I shall go back and edit them out

Dylan

 

[electrosys]

I rather doubt if any GPS user would seriously expect equipment, that was designed for the US system, to be able to take in Galileo. Both my sets, fixed and handheld are at least 12 - 15 years old. Why would I expect old kit to do things that it wasn't designed for?

Interesting how you quote enough of my initial post to make your point, yet fail to include my comment "Which may come as bad news to anyone who has just shelled-out serious money on a state-of-the-art GPS-only receiver."
"just shelled-out" - perhaps just a few months, or even weeks ago ....

 

[Sgeir]

Interesting how you quote enough of my initial post to make your point, yet fail to include my comment "Which may come as bad news to anyone who has just shelled-out serious money on a state-of-the-art GPS-only receiver."
"just shelled-out" - perhaps just a few months, or even weeks ago ....

Fair enough, and I wasn't trying to score points with you, but the principle still stands. If I'd bought a brand spanking new chartplotter today I certainly wouldn't, and I doubt if anyone else would, have expected it to be Galileo compliant unless it was specifically badged as such.

Why? Because as yet the service doesn't exist, and, as far as I am aware, no one is selling sets that will be compliant. Having said that, no doubt there will be an army of people telling us where to buy them from.

Why would a GPS receiver be future-proof any more than a PC or a mobile telephone?

 

[Sgeir]

it was us what done it

blimey I hope they have not noticed my other comments about this wonderful organisation

Well, I think electrosys should take the credit for the edit. Geddit. Sheer poetry.