westernman
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We are supposed to keep religion out of these forums..........
So leave out the sects!
For the love of God, can we have a separate ‘Anchors and Anchoring’ forum please?
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So leave out the sects!
noelex
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A seperate forum for anchor threads is a worthwhile idea and one I would fully support.
However, the main problem on YBW is that anchor threads devolve into personal attacks rather than discussions on the merits of lumps of metal sitting on the seabed.
I am not sure how to prevent this, but something needs to done. Members just bow out when threads deteriorate to this extent. I suspect others never contribute any posts because they know the inevitable outcome.
Lately I have seen some signs of a turn around where there has been some valuable technical discussion without the personal attacks. If this is due moderator intervention, congratulations, I think this makes the forum more valuable. If it due to members simply exercising some personal restraint, once again congratulations. We should not be so afraid of alternative views. In the end everyone learns something.
However, the main problem on YBW is that anchor threads devolve into personal attacks rather than discussions on the merits of lumps of metal sitting on the seabed.
I am not sure how to prevent this, but something needs to done. Members just bow out when threads deteriorate to this extent. I suspect others never contribute any posts because they know the inevitable outcome.
Lately I have seen some signs of a turn around where there has been some valuable technical discussion without the personal attacks. If this is due moderator intervention, congratulations, I think this makes the forum more valuable. If it due to members simply exercising some personal restraint, once again congratulations. We should not be so afraid of alternative views. In the end everyone learns something.
thinwater
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We can't even move the thread to the lounge, because there is a ban on religion. Fortunately I'm an atheist, so I seldom run afoul that quagmire. A humor sub-forum?
coopec
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"If this is due moderator intervention " NO!....
The forum hasn't changed over many years. Still the same people who won't accept another's point of view. "a leopard never changes its spots"
Thankfully the aggressive forumite(s) who think only they are expert are in the minority.
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Neeves
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My understanding is that if a member feels they are being attacked personally then the member can use the "report" 'button' at the bottom left of the post or posts in question. The Moderators will then consider the evidence and if necessary wrap the knuckle or withdraw an ability to post temporarily or permanently on the guilty party. If a member does not do this then either they do not value the Mods or the 'insult' or whatever is simply not deemed seriously sufficient to demand attention. It could be some people are more sensitive to truth and honesty or are provocative - and in the latter case - get as good as they gave - who knows. We were told Mods do not discuss their decisions - but members are free, privately, to ask on the merits of decisions (or lack of).
Membership of this forum is voluntary, if you do not like the forum because you feel vulnerable - then complain to the Mods, or leave. If you find you are being criticised without remedy - maybe look at the content of your posts ...... and wonder why some people are upset at what you said...... and ponder.
I do feel that the modern equivalent of burning books (ban members) restricts free speech and we should learn to live with, some, dissent. I am constantly criticised for my repetitive posts but I note that my negativity to 'Bigger is Better' (specifically anchors) has enjoyed some support here, lightweight chain enjoys support, snubbers are being used - repetition works (not just me - others are now 'product champions' having seen the light). The suggestion being that resistance to change can be overcome. If you don't like anchor threads because you feel you become a target to insult - then reconsider the focus of your activity, the content of your posts (maybe you ARE wrong on some aspects but refuse to accept the comment) - or move.
Give (the Mods with their knuckle wrapper) and take on both sides.....?
Jonathan
NormanS
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What's a knuckle wrapper? Is that an alternative name for a boxing glove?
I must admit that I'm getting a bit fed up with all the repetitive arguments about anchors. I'll just chuck mine over.
I must admit that I'm getting a bit fed up with all the repetitive arguments about anchors. I'll just chuck mine over.
MagicalArmchair
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I love an anchor thread. I also think it's important that boating folk feel they can post about anything that is on their mind - if a question is a repeat, sure, point them in the direction of the repeat, and gently school them on searching first, but as well as knowledge, the forum is about getting comfort from our fellow, awesome boaters. "I know I've READ this, however I'm doing this with my RocKnoxSupreme and I keep on dragging. IS there anything wrong here in what I'm doing? Should I go for the FluffyBunny Hook 2000k that costs £1,000,000 and has completed months of research that tell us it's worth every penny?". Important to note, we should always be kind and pleasant to each other on the water and on here, and I've had some amazing wonderful help over the years (and on my own anchor thread!).
justanothersailboat
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Apologies @westernman and @thinwater if my levity was unwarranted.
Personally I don't worry about anchor type as I assume all failings are my inexperience, bad decisions or over-optimism rather than a defect of my anchor. An improved anchor would not improve any of those factors very much. When I am confident I am not the weak link I will start to become opinionated... and probably start an anchor thread.
Personally I don't worry about anchor type as I assume all failings are my inexperience, bad decisions or over-optimism rather than a defect of my anchor. An improved anchor would not improve any of those factors very much. When I am confident I am not the weak link I will start to become opinionated... and probably start an anchor thread.
Farmer Piles
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As several above have alluded, where does editing and moderation begin and end and censorship begin. The students banning speakers because of what they have to say is a very insidious form of censorship.
As with any forum there are a lot of nuggets of information and a lot of dross, I either don't read the latter or let it wash over me. I have bigger issues to get exercised and excited about than Bugel anchors - be they good or bad. Don't care, never going to buy one.
As Voltaire put it so neatly:
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
I do enjoy the forum, have learned a lot and there is a lot of great banter too.
As with any forum there are a lot of nuggets of information and a lot of dross, I either don't read the latter or let it wash over me. I have bigger issues to get exercised and excited about than Bugel anchors - be they good or bad. Don't care, never going to buy one.
As Voltaire put it so neatly:
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
I do enjoy the forum, have learned a lot and there is a lot of great banter too.
Roberto
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Sometimes it's like being in a pub where a group of people talk so loud as to make it near impossible for anyone else to hear to what their fellows 50cm away are saying.
You might quietly finish your pints that evening, the next day I bet you all go somewhere else
You might quietly finish your pints that evening, the next day I bet you all go somewhere else