coopec
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Thanks for being here to "keep an eye on things"
99.9999% of people are very helpful and offer their excellent advice willingly. It is just the remainder who do not respect other's views and make the forum thoroughly unpleasant
For the love of God, can we have a separate ‘Anchors and Anchoring’ forum please?
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Thanks for being here to "keep an eye on things"
99.9999% of people are very helpful and offer their excellent advice willingly. It is just the remainder who do not respect other's views and make the forum thoroughly unpleasant
justanothersailboat
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I've had to come to the conclusion that some people must have had really awful experiences with anchors and ended up so worried about the whole business they've taken up superstition to appease the Anchor Spirits and just can't live with heresy. I am sorry for their scars but can't stand the fanaticism; unfortunately there are multiple sects who have very different ideas about what the Anchor Spirits want. This must be awful to have to moderate, my thanks to all who do.
RunAgroundHard
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Thanks for being here to "keep an eye on things"
99.9999% of people are very helpful and offer their excellent advice willingly. It is just the remainder who do not respect other's views and make the forum thoroughly unpleasant
Really, 0.0001% of people on this forum make it "thoroughly unpleasant"? Maybe another way of looking at it is that this place is very pleasant, helpful and excellent. TNLI's posts, that are likely the source of the OPs complaints, doesn't appear to get annoyed by any criticism directed at him. TNLI posts with aplomb. Hence, maybe the issue is really with the reader of a post and not the poster. Cura te ipsum, Luke 4:23
RunAgroundHard
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Your angry reaction @coopec illustrates the point exactly, you are your own problem, not the poster.
vyv_cox
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If TNLI is a troll as many suggest he must be laughing his socks off right now. Generating half a dozen locked threads and now a thread pretty much specifically about him must count as a great success.
I don't understand why people become so energised by anchor threads. I reckon to open about 30% of posts on the forum, the others don't interest me. If you don't like anchor threads, don't open them.
I don't understand why people become so energised by anchor threads. I reckon to open about 30% of posts on the forum, the others don't interest me. If you don't like anchor threads, don't open them.
KeithMD
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Perhaps it's a psychosomatic thing?
As in, anchors are meant to give us a firm grip (on the seabed).
But when people's beliefs (about their favourite anchor) are questioned, they worry they are loosing a firm grip (on what they believe).
KeithMD
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What happens if you are vegetarian?
geem
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Tofu?
Gixer
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Just heard a really interesting comment on a podcast.
’why social media and forums don’t work is we are expected to put complex thoughts into a few sentences with minimal context for our ideas’
As soon as I heard this I thought of an anchor thread
’why social media and forums don’t work is we are expected to put complex thoughts into a few sentences with minimal context for our ideas’
As soon as I heard this I thought of an anchor thread
SimonKNZ
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On a positive note, a previous anchor thread on this forum pointed me towards some test results which led me to replace the Delta anchor supplied with my yacht, with a shiny new 22kg Excel. Setting, holding and quality of sleep have all improved considerably
Poecheng
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... but not as well as it might have done had you bought a better anchor
thinwater
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^^ This.Just heard a really interesting comment on a podcast.
’why social media and forums don’t work is we are expected to put complex thoughts into a few sentences with minimal context for our ideas’
As soon as I heard this I thought of an anchor thread
Threads about a boat specific issue or where to find a part are generally self-limiting. The answers are short.
Other threads require a book to put into context. There are a number of books on anchoring, and none of them cover everything. Panope has revealed only a small part of how deep the testing rabbit hole goes, he's done a lot, and still, could write chapters on the holes in his testing, but I won't because he has done a lot of hard work.
I've seen a lot of long disjointed, and sometimes combative, threads on other forums on wiring, varnish, COLREGS and multihulls.
And then there are the "definitive" answers posted, based on experience with one boat and a limited range of bottoms. Case in point; firm sand in cold areas and firm sand in warm areas are not the same, we believe in part, because of seasonal differences in the biom. I can get 30% different results on the same sand flat in the winter vs. summer. And "bad" bottoms completely defy consistent description.
But that is not to say you can't learn a lot from these threads. You just need to set your filters pretty tight. There are usually a few gems buried in there.
SimonKNZ
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I searched high and low for a genuine brass fisherman's but they don't seem to exist in NZ... but not as well as it might have done had you bought a better anchor
thinwater
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One of my favorites for my F-24, on all bottoms, as a ~ 1950 Northill Utility anchor. Old tech for sure, looking superficially like a fisherman's anchor. But if you check the angles, it is MUCH different and has more in common with a Viking or Rocna. Engineered for WWII US seaplanes (the seaplane design was a little different, with the same angles).
And oh yeah ... they anchored using steel cable. Also dig the clamp and pendant.
And oh yeah ... they anchored using steel cable. Also dig the clamp and pendant.
KevinV
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I dunno, how about "butt ugly"?
LittleSister
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"Bad-ass" bottoms, surely?
john_morris_uk
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If anyone wants a previous or early generation anchor I can let you know where this one is (spotted earlier today)
Some anchor shanks are suspect …,
thinwater
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A common misconception:
The Constitution protects your right to have and express and opinion, but it does not require people to respect the opinion itself, only your right to express it.
Put another way, you can post what ever you like, and someone else is just as free to civilly disagree. Of course, most of us get prickly, to variable extent, when anyone disagrees, and even more so if they imply we are foolish, which we may be and it's just their opinion, which they are allowed to have.
Put another way, pull up your big boy pants, this is a water cooler conversation, and it won't be controlled.
My solution? I watch for any pearls of wisdom that may be scattered in the melee. There are always a some, and very few posters are all wrong.
The Constitution protects your right to have and express and opinion, but it does not require people to respect the opinion itself, only your right to express it.
Put another way, you can post what ever you like, and someone else is just as free to civilly disagree. Of course, most of us get prickly, to variable extent, when anyone disagrees, and even more so if they imply we are foolish, which we may be and it's just their opinion, which they are allowed to have.
Put another way, pull up your big boy pants, this is a water cooler conversation, and it won't be controlled.
My solution? I watch for any pearls of wisdom that may be scattered in the melee. There are always a some, and very few posters are all wrong.
superheat6k
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We don't need a separate forum - its 3 times the depth as local high water !