Ubergeekian
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What, they are made under authority delegated by an act of parliament and breaches can be prosecuted through the courts? That's a pretty tough club!
Flying the Cross of St Georege
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What, they are made under authority delegated by an act of parliament and breaches can be prosecuted through the courts? That's a pretty tough club!
Ubergeekian
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I don't follow some of his logic:
Members of more than one yacht club entitled to wear a special ensign, who wish to wear other colours, must obtain a separate permit for each ensign which will be worn. Each ensign must be accompanied by the respective yacht club’s burgee or flag officer’s pennant. A yacht should not fly more than one burgee. When an owner is visiting a harbour of which they are a member of a local yacht club their boat should wear the colours of the senior club of which they are a member. This also applies when in the yacht’s home port.
If they should always wear the colours of the senior club of which they are a member, whether at home or somewhere else, what would be the point of having any others?
String him up from the yardarm! (Port yardarm, no higher than the end of the gaff, from 0800 - 2000 only, Shrove Tuesday excepted, with the appropriate warrant, replacement admirals available from your club secretary.)
maxi77
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You seem in your blinkered way to have completely missed the point, I am delighted that you and other England fans, whatever your chosen sport have started to use the proper flag of St George rather than the Union Flag whit is of course the flag for all of the UK.
Also if you think free prescriptions, university education etc is a good thing then elect a government that will do it. There are downsides to the free perscriptions just in case you want to go down that path like us, we have longer waiting times for many hospital procedures so it is not all one way.
As I said I a delighted you are now using the correct flag to show your allegiance and will always support your right to do so, now could you stop using the UK National Anthem as the English Anthem.
ghostlymoron
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WTF is that about. I'm off to buy a blue ensign!
ghostlymoron
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I've often wondered how Scotland can provide free university education, free prescriptions, free social care etc. Are there any other downsides?
NormanS
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Mrs FG
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As a lawyer, I can assure you I wouldn't spend my weekends trying to enforce petty regulations about the height one should hoist a burgee. If I'm going enforce the law, I want my firm's charge-out rate (plus VAT), thanks.
Mind you, I wouldn't join a club that says it shows contempt to wear a burgee in the way that about 95% of yachtsmen do - I've never heard that from a member of the Royal Southern or the Royal Southampton.
Ubergeekian
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We still have a very large college sector, proportionately much larger than what remains in England, and very large numbers of students at those colleges doing Higher National qualifications for a lot less than the cost of degrees at the ex-college and ex-poly universities in England. Free social care isn't as generous as you might think - it knocks something like £30 per week off a residential home bill. Remember that in England only one in ten prescriptions is paid for, so making them all free isn't a particularly huge change (something like £40m, or £8 per head per annum, for the whole of Scotland) and also saves a lot in administration costs. We don't have Sure Start and we haven't - yet - squandered anything like as much money on dubious PFI deals as England has.
Remember that we haven't received any disproportionate grant increases since devolution, just spent it a bit differently.
maxi77
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It is all about choices, we elect governments we hope will give us what we want with the money that is in the kitty. If you do not like the choices the UK goverment makes then perhaps you need to change your government, and perhaps the way you elect them.
We do think differently about the priorities so we have different outcomes. Mind you if you like the way we do things I am sure you will get a warm enough welcome if you come and join us.
ghostlymoron
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Maxi and Ubergeek, I realise that it's all about choices and that money doesn't grow on trees but I was wondering what specifically we in England are swapping for the Scottish benefits I mentioned. Incidentally my son attended a Scottish university free of tuition charges, having lived in Edinburgh for several years previously. My elder son also lives in that fine city.
Quandary
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You have spent a lot more on replacing schools, we tend to try to use our old ones if they are serviceable and as Uber stated we have stopped doing PFI financing so we are not as heavily mortgaged to the banks for all our public buildings. Also we have very little infrastructure to maintain outside of the central belt. How many of your public roads are single track with passing places. Argyll is a massive county with only about 200 miles of two way road and it is all less than 6m. wide. We just make do with less of everything except fat, sugar and alcohol all of which contribute a lot to the UK economy.
Bosun Higgs
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Yes you have. The last Scots Labour government did it on a national UK basis. You have to remember that there is no English government that could do it.
Not that it matters much . All governments overspend - hugely. At least double what they should be spending so the cost of free prescriptions ( research shows many of these to be wasted) is trivial in comparison.
maxi77
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Don't palm us of with that one, there were more than enough ENGLISH NuLabor MPs to give Bliar a majority without any Scots help so stuff that in your pipe and smoke it. If there is not an English Parliament then there is no one to blaim but the English so don't blaim us for that either. It is just amazing how in the opinion of so many that some 60 Scots MPs have managed to make some 600 English MPs bend to their will, are English MPs so weak and lilly livered that they cannot stand up for themselves.
England got the government it deserved because they voted for it. Unfortunately us poor Scots had to put up with it too.
Ubergeekian
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I was careful to say "England" and not "the English Government". We do have some PFI here, with all the cretinous waste of money it has come to mean (the cleaners at the nearest primary school to me come from Glasgow, 90 miles away) but not nearly as much. Yet.
ukmctc
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Being a Scot I'd say from the Keel.....
Bosun Higgs
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Being English I would agree. Mind you, it would make a nonsense of your handicap.
Bosun Higgs
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Thats a simplistic interpretation of the facts. MPs dont decide such issues - sadly they do what the parties tell them. And in the case of the Labour party, that has during much of my life been dominated by Scots and to a lesser degree by the Welsh. That was very much the case in the Blair government and is one of the reasons that there was devolution for Wales and Scotland but not for England - in good times or bad, Labour could expect to keep permanent socialist control of Scotland and Wales but they could not do so in England. Its also the reason why Scotland and Wales are so heavily subsidised whilst equally deprived areas of England ( like the NE) are not.
The payroll vote.
Ubergeekian
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So far we've had two Labour-LibDem coalitions in Holyrood (1999 and 2003) and one SNP minority administration (2007). That's not exactly permanent Labour control.
If you have a look at Table 9.2 on page 115 of the Public Expenditure Statistical Analysis available from the Treasury's public spending by region page, you'll note that public expenditure per head in Scotland is almost exactly the same as that in London and only slightly (6% or so) ahead of the North East.
maxi77
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Ubergeekian proof such as that is valuless against those who seem to believe that some 5 million Scots outvote 50 million English. The get what they vote for and deserve it.
ps Looks like Wee Eck is going to stuff Grey in a few days. So much for Labour domination
ps Looks like Wee Eck is going to stuff Grey in a few days. So much for Labour domination
Ubergeekian
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This is getting rather off-topic, to put it mildly, but yes, I agree. If England wanted an English parliament, nobody in Scotland could care less, and most would think it a jolly good idea. While they choose to remain dependent on our MPs they are in no logical position to whine about the results.
