Ensigns - bear with me!

[Metabarca]

I am writing a little piece for my club magazine here in Italy about British ensigns, and have a specific question: how many clubs are there with a warrant for a plain blue ensign, how many for defaced blue, and how many for defaced red? My sources have conflicting figures. Please let's not enter into the merits or otherwise of what to wear...!

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[claymore]

Meta my 0ld Fruitbox
Why not give it to the students as a research task for the last week of term?

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[AndrewB]

Navy List

For the authoritive source of information on which yacht clubs are permitted to use white, blue and defaced ensigns, see the British <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.rnreference.mod.uk/02/CNOA/NavyList/Current/navylist.pdf>Navy List</A>, 2003, page 244. The list is now closed and no new clubs are added.

There are 104 clubs: of which 1 is white, 31 are blue, 58 are defaced blue and 14 are defaced red. There is also a special light blue defaced ensign allowed for the RAF Sailing Association which doesn't fall in the list but is sometimes counted, making 105 in total.

It is possible to argue ad nauseum (as with most ensign issues) about which exactly should count as active British clubs.

 

[Gunfleet]

Re: Navy List

see the British Navy List, 2003, page 244. >>
Now I know what was the source for Gilbert and Sullivan

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[Metabarca]

Re: Navy List

1,000,000 thanks (haven't got used to Euro-thanks yet, but it probably comes to 1.363 thanks!)

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[Ships_Cat]

Just in case this is not realised there are thousands of clubs around the world that are entitled to fly defaced blue and red ensigns in that the country's national flag is a defaced blue and its merchant flag is a defaced red. No warrants are required for those though as they are outside of UK jurisdiction and as far as I know, none of those countries operate a warrant system.

There are also other clubs in the world entitled to fly defaced white ensigns.

While some will believe all the above are not "proper" flags it is a fact that they exist.

John

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[geoffatstanpit]

Re: Navy List

That link didn't work for me. But I'd like to know.

I sail Foxterriers belonging to HMS Sultan from the Joint Services Adventurous Sailing Training Centre to give sailing experience to Air Training Corps cadets each summer. These come equipped with blue ensigns defaced with a yellow anchor.

Being the only suitable flag provided we duly put it up.

Not been arrested or blackballed yet so far as I know.

Might we upset anyone? So far as I know none of us skippers have any current or past connection with the RN (though we mostly have had connections with the RAF!).

Geoff



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[Koeketiene]

Re: Navy List

RFA boat - if it's on their books, you fly their ensign.
It's that simple.

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[AndrewB]

Re: Navy List link.

The link is to a PDF. You need Adobe Acrobat installed on your PC to view it. A free Acrobat Reader can be downloaded from <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html>HERE</A>.

Note that it is 2.5Mb.

 

[geoffatstanpit]

Re: Navy List link.

Thanks - got it now. I just wasn't patient enough for 2.5Mb! Aren't there a lot!

Geoff

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[Gunfleet]

Re: Navy List

Do RN officers really have time to check whether people are wearing the right ensign or not? I've always found that a bit unbelieveable.
John
(Red dusters only on my boat, thanks!)

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[trouville]

Warning!! If you have a dial up connection this download is nor recomended, It took 100%CPU and wouldent load properly with other applications open, book mark it and load it later but better wait for a fast connection

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[BrendanS]

That's purely down to your computer, others with more powerful machines won't necessarily have the same issues - your cpu shouldn't be 100% utilised while doing a download, it's not a cpu intensive operation

I'm on dial up, and frequently download files of 10's of Mb in the background while I do other things

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[trouville]

m usingMozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041107 Firefox/1.0 with an IBM that has a 1.6 centriono 512 and 40giga
I was surprised, but i just browsing in the walm with a glass of wine so could well be the number of other aplications i had opened. now i will try later from a bookmark.
Im sure it will work but dial up is really cronic, which tends to make wi-fi from the cafe attractive

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[Koeketiene]

Re: Navy List

Historically, yes.

In real life...

I had 4 kinds of priorities:

1. What we must do
2. What we will do
3. What we should do
4. What we can't be bothered with

Checking upon ensigns fell into the fourth category.
You might come across an anal retentive type who would check - he would be entitled to - but you'd be very unlucky.

If it were up to me - it isn't - everyone'd fly a Red Duster, and that would be the end of that.

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