Dylan hits the big time

[Capt Popeye]

Humm well, cannot really comment upon Dylan's video productions, re picture quality, content, advertising or not advertising quandary, subsidized or not?, but I will, with some TV Production Staff Training experience plus 'hands on' knowledge from working in TV for many years, say that -

There is a definite dividing line when presenting a programme between ones personality, personal views, personal likes, personal dislikes and the actual production content.

In modern TV its quite usual (even common) for presenters to state their opinions about or on a subject, mostly when their stated opinions are based upon little qualification, experience or gained information. This can and does effect the Programme quality, credence, TV channel creditably, therefore lessen any real value in the Programme.
Might suggest that sometimes or occasionally the personal comments from a characterful presenter can actually 'make the programme', whereas other times it certainly does not.

With KTL perhaps its a personal viewing preference decision on whether the programmes 'work or not' for each of us, so its not a attempt to be accepted by a 'broad church'

 

[steveeasy]

I not at all sure what the problem is here , I have never seen any of Dylan films but have read some of his posting , which can be funny at times .
The guy want to make videos and Seen to enjoys it , other also enjoys his videos and are willing to contribute towards them and if he making a few bob which going towards some thing he likes doing. good for him .
No one is forcing anyone to help pay towards his lifestyles,
It seen to me some are just jealous of other because they are doing something they can't do and are getting notice for it .
There been a lot of criticism about copy write of some photo in his films , I wonder how many of us haven't at some time download music or films and broken copy write laws .
We all humans and we all make mistakes.

If we read these posting regular as I do , you will soon notice there are some on here that don't have any thing much useful to say and just to get their names up there will go around and criticise other on what said or the way it is written
Over the years I met quite a few of the people here as we sail around and all have been very nice people ,
but when the conversation get around to YBW and the forums the same names come up time and time again as guys who just looking to pick holes in other people posting .
Get a life guys , most of us aren't interested in what you have to say unless it's some thing that useful to a posting , keep your comment for the lounge .

although your wrong. the matter is unpleasant and ill remove my opinion as it serves little purpose going forward.

Steveeasy

 

[Mister E]

I not at all sure what the problem is here , I have never seen any of Dylan films but have read some of his posting , which can be funny at times .
The guy want to make videos and Seen to enjoys it , other also enjoys his videos and are willing to contribute towards them and if he making a few bob which going towards some thing he likes doing. good for him .
No one is forcing anyone to help pay towards his lifestyles,
It seen to me some are just jealous of other because they are doing something they can't do and are getting notice for it .
There been a lot of criticism about copy write of some photo in his films , I wonder how many of us haven't at some time download music or films and broken copy write laws .
We all humans and we all make mistakes.

If we read these posting regular as I do , you will soon notice there are some on here that don't have any thing much useful to say and just to get their names up there will go around and criticise other on what said or the way it is written
Over the years I met quite a few of the people here as we sail around and all have been very nice people ,
but when the conversation get around to YBW and the forums the same names come up time and time again as guys who just looking to pick holes in other people posting .
Get a life guys , most of us aren't interested in what you have to say unless it's some thing that useful to a posting , keep your comment for the lounge .

I completely agree with this.

 

[Suttle]

I not at all sure what the problem is here , I have never seen any of Dylan films but have read some of his posting , which can be funny at times .
The guy want to make videos and Seen to enjoys it , other also enjoys his videos and are willing to contribute towards them and if he making a few bob which going towards some thing he likes doing. good for him .
No one is forcing anyone to help pay towards his lifestyles,
It seen to me some are just jealous of other because they are doing something they can't do and are getting notice for it .
There been a lot of criticism about copy write of some photo in his films , I wonder how many of us haven't at some time download music or films and broken copy write laws .
We all humans and we all make mistakes.

If we read these posting regular as I do , you will soon notice there are some on here that don't have any thing much useful to say and just to get their names up there will go around and criticise other on what said or the way it is written
Over the years I met quite a few of the people here as we sail around and all have been very nice people ,
but when the conversation get around to YBW and the forums the same names come up time and time again as guys who just looking to pick holes in other people posting .
Get a life guys , most of us aren't interested in what you have to say unless it's some thing that useful to a posting , keep your comment for the lounge .

Well said, couldn't have put it better.

 

[Champagne Murphy]

AFAIk all Dylan has done is to attempt to earn a subsistence income from doing something he loves and I for one am really puzzled as to why thats considered (by some) to be so bad. How many of us are in that blessed place? OK so it didn't work in the way that the bikini type vids do but he's a hell of a lot less cynical. At least he's honest about what he is, at least he knows and admits he isn't going too get rich. And so what if he changes his boat front time to time? Who hasn't?
As for taking hospitality and then carping about the guy after, 'cos that's how it looks, well thats just bang out of order.
Humph, I'm off to give him some money.

 

[ronmarson]

When I can sail, I sail.
When I cant, I watch Dylan doing it for me.
Don't let the jealous ones get to you Dylan.
Love the films, and love your idea of just 'doing it'.
Some others should get out and 'do it' more methinks.
Capt. RoN

 

[JumbleDuck]

But judging by the typical responses to your writing on this thread you need to brush up on your social awareness, concentrate more on getting the tone of your posts better and loose the snide remarks otherwise you are in danger of coming across as a nasty little so and so.

Thank you for your helpful comments, which I will bear in mind.

Note: I am not responding "What have I ever done to you? Why do you hate me? Waaaaa."

 

[JumbleDuck]

AFAIk all Dylan has done is to attempt to earn a subsistence income from doing something he loves and I for one am really puzzled as to why thats considered (by some) to be so bad.

Has anyone said it's bad? I don't think I have seen anyone suggesting that.

As for taking hospitality and then carping about the guy after, 'cos that's how it looks, well thats just bang out of order.

See, that's the business about mixing the person and the product again. Yes, Dylan was a pleasant and entertaining host and I'll gladly welcome him back on my boat if we ever meet (I'm not sure that the invitation will be accepted, but it's there). That doesn't mean, I think, that I am forbidden ever after from saying, for example, that the morphing of KTL posts here from entertaining creek crawling through eccentric inventions to constant complaints about money wasn't a little disappointing, or that he had any grounds for complaint when an occasionally cavalier approach to intellectual property rights caused him problems.

Someone who posted fairly robust criticisms of me here has enjoyed (I hope) my hospitality. I don't feel hurt or betrayed by him; in fact, having met him I take his comments even more seriously.

I do hope Dylan will stick around and entertain us all.

 

[Trevor Collins]

Shut the jumbleduck up

 

[Quandary]

I am not sure Dylan deserves the beatification that is planned for him but even if he does, surely that does not absolve him from any criticism, JD is straight talking and honest (though not blessed with infallibility), It would not be much of a forum if he could not exercise these qualities.

 

[Blue Sunray]

I am not sure Dylan deserves the beatification that is planned for him but even if he does, surely that does not absolve him from any criticism, JD is straight talking and honest (though not blessed with infallibility), It would not be much of a forum if he could not exercise these qualities.

Very well put.

 

[Fittster]

Very well put.

However JD's need to respond to any of Dylan's posts with his criticisms of the KTL funding get tedious. At what point should JD stop banging his drum and simply ignore Dylan's posts?

 

[Blue Sunray]

However JD's need to respond to any of Dylan's posts with his criticisms of the KTL funding get tedious. At what point should JD stop banging his drum and simply ignore Dylan's posts?

When he feels like it? At what point should you stop banging your drum and simply ignore JD's posts?

 

[aussi]

I love Dylan's videos, and have paid several times because I want to support his project and help him on his journey. I love his style, and the "feel" of his work.

Everybody is entitled to criticise, providing it's a fair point and is not personal. I think some posters' comments very clearly step over this line, but unfortunately that is the nature of online forums and we all need to grow a fairly thick skin to continue to live online.

In fact, though I am a big fan, here is a criticism for Dylan: It pees me off a bit when you continually criticise some of the other sailing series on YT. Fair enough to complain about vacuous content - personally I think this can be levelled at some, but not all the content of these series - but your gripes very much come across as jealousy.

 

[jakeroyd]

I like Dylan.

He has done something - something of quality that will stand the test of time. Something that everyone across the world can watch and - if it is their sort of thing - can either be inspired by or entertained by, or both.

However clever we are in our individual fields, most people's contribution to society is rather temporary. If we consider our individual contribution to the sport/pastime etc of sailing/boating (call it what you will) then for most of us - other than participation - it will be zero (me certainly). Dylan can hold his head up higher than most in that regard.

I don't want this post to be a further springboard for his critics to fire off again - the OP was a piece of good news about/for Dylan so not clear at all why it had to be dragged down by criticisms (some quite ill-informed) that could very well have been left unsaid - but it is very nice to see the level of support he has.

The forum is a better place for Dylan's contributions.

+1

 

[bitbaltic]

When he feels like it? At what point should you stop banging your drum and simply ignore JD's posts?

95 posts in nearly seven years doesn't sound very much like a banging drum to me.

 

[Blue Sunray]

95 posts in nearly seven years doesn't sound very much like a banging drum to me.

 

[lenten]

welcome back Dylan

 

[steve yates]

I've met jd, and like him. He has been very helpful to me and is welcome aboard my boat anytime. I haven't met dylan, but I like him too, he has also been helpful. I wish him well in his endeavours.

I certainly don't think he deserves beatification, and I think Steve easy nailed it when he called his last postings a pr disaster. I've watched some of his stuff, out of curiosity, it's ok, but not content that I, personally, would pay for. And that's fine. I know Dylan wants a motorsailer for scotland, that's fine too, though I think his centaur was entirely capable. He hit a wrong chord with his constant aspersions of freeloaders, which pissed off a lot of folk, and I found it bloody irritating too.

The problem, for me, is that jd took some perfectly acceptable criticism and disagreement out of the subject and into the personal, though I think he has trouble seeing that. He is an academic, so bound to be pedantic (a generalisation I know) so whereas dylan was wrong under the letter of the law, the other guy was actually deserving of more opprobium, imo. As a professional photographer, I understand the copyright issues, but it seems to me this is using the law for financial gain, not to defend property rights.

As for the rest, it does seem a shame to lose a contributor like dylan, over a storm in a teacup. But again, like jd, I'm not sure he sees how much offence his freeloading comments caused some folk. and at the end of the day, it was dylans choice to leave, and it will be his choice to come back, which I hope he does.

Sometime's, even when we say it's nothing personal, if the other party is taking it personally and being hurt by it, we should acknowledge that and modify our behaviour. Not because we are "wrong" but from simple humanity, and even manners.

 

[Sgeir]

JD, you are being a prat, stop it, its not nice!
Stu

Help! I'm agreeing with Stu....