Alicatt
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I fill up my diseasel at the bicycle shop near the boat, it is the cheapest around this area by about 4¢ per litre and about 14¢ cheaper than the local Shell station
Diesel additives to clean injectors. Snake oil?
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rotrax
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Interesting.
Got Diesel bicycles round your way then?
Got Diesel bicycles round your way then?
Alicatt
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The garage now sells bicycles instead of cars, but still has the pumps out front for dispensing fuel.Interesting.
Got Diesel bicycles round your way then?
On an additive note... Today we were taking the grandkids to the cinema, two cars, my wife in her BMW 318i with the little ones and me in the Range with the older lad, our film was on a bit earlier than theirs.
We had just got to the cinema, got organised and the phone rang... "Err, ummm, I put diesel in the car and got as far as Zonhoven, I only put €15 in the tank as it was taking a long time to fill and the hose didn't fit properly..."
The car was still running but not the smooth purr of a 2litre petrol, told her as the tank was almost empty to fill it up with 98 plus and it should be ok, 57litres of petrol on top of the 6 litres of diesel, she got to the cinema and back just fine.
IanCC
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Interestingly my local, very basic, garage was telling me that he had been chucking dipetane in his engine and had occasion to chop into his exhaust which turned out to be completely shiny clean. He doesn't sell it and never mentioned it again.
jbweston
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Also E10 isn't as good if the car isn't used so often over the winter as it absorbs more water than E5 from any moisture in the atmosphere and fuel tank condensation.
The other effect is that it marginally leans the fuel/air mixture but that isn't a big problem as 1920s cars have a manual mixture control. It will have a tiny effect on reducing mpg but if you're worried about mpg you shouldn't be running a 1920s car.
I certainly wouldn't worry about using the occasional fill of E10 in my old car but E5 is better for it.
Lucy52
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Wouldn't going easy on the right foot have a greater effect on you mpg than paying for any of these additives?
KevinV
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Where's the fun in that?
More seriously, a cleaner fuel system = better mpg+better performance +less filthy emissions, it's a win all round.
Alicatt
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the problem with having a light right foot is that the DPF does not get hot enough and it gets filled quickly, then you have to thrash the car for a bit to get it to regen the DPF and clean it out
rotrax
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Not all '20's cars have manual mixture control. The leaning of the mixture is purely the result of the Alcohol enriched fuel needing more fuel in the air/fuel ratio to burn to best advantage. It also burns marginally slower, requiring advanced ignition timing. Modern EFI does these adjustments without driver input.
Having used pure Methanol as an additive in racing engines I found little improvement in performance, but smoother and cooler running. Two notches up on the needle of a type 6 Amal inch and one sixteenth and two sizes up on the main jet did it. 25% Methanol/5 star petrol mix. With the iron heads and cylinders I was using, cooler running was worth the faff. The rules soon changed and the fuel was changed to pure Methanol and compression, ignition timing and carburation changed to suit. That DID go far better.
Cleveland Discol had a high alcohol content in the 30's through the 70's and cars ran just fine on that, some did need the idle mixture tweaking a bit richer. If the car had done some work and the carb was worn, usually not neccessary.
From direct experience, especiall of old cars and motorbikes.
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Refueler
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Don't forget that Brazil has for decades been running high alcohol fuels ............ but we are digressing from OP's Diesel question.
If anyone wants to do it .. add a bit of petrol or kero to the diesel ... works wonders !!
jbweston
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Sorry about the digression. But at least no-one in this thread is playing the know-it-all card . . .
Poignard
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Sacrilege!
Alicatt
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Was bad enough yesterday when the wife added the diesel to the petrol car
Stemar
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A gallon of petrol in a full tank of diesel was standard treatment for trucks in winter back in the day. The Russian version was to light a fire under the fuel tank...
rotrax
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Helps ahainst bug too-dont get petrol bug, do you!
Refueler
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Refueler
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Russian Trucks for many years were usually petrol because of the cold winters ... then when chemistry improved and CFPP and other Cold Improvers came about - diesel became norm.
In Alaska and other northern extremes - Cold Weather Diesel is often in fact Kerosine.
Guess who shipped 100's of 000's of tons of it as Nanouk Grade Diesel !!
Refueler
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Actually ALL petroleum products can be infected .... but gasoil is the most common of course.
Next common is Lubricating Oil .... I've actually sailed on a ship that its main engine suffered Lub Oil bug ... we had to drain ... steam ... re oil .... as well as strip - steam out and clean up Lub Purifiers etc.
It was terrible ... engine big enough you can actually get inside ... the protective coating on sump walls was sliding down with micro-bug slime between it and the steel.
rotrax
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Siberia was built, so they told me in Koprinice, at the Tatra truck factory Museum, by the Air Cooled Vee Eight Diesel All Wheel Drive Trucks made there. The Russians gave the Czechs a pittance for them, home supply was severely reduced cos the Russians took most of them. From the late 1940's until the newer model came along in, IIRC, 1962.
The model was the Tatra 111, diesel powered. Wiki has notes about their extensive year round use in Siberia.
Refueler
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You pick one machine ... and think thats whole situation ??
I have had people work for me that were driving trucks in Siberia / Krasnodar / Murmansk regions as example and all drove mostly petrol based trucks ....
Any diesel engined machine used a grade of Kero as I already explained. It was called Diesel ... then as chemistry evolved and Cold Properties could be treated - then diesel as you know it was used .. common term : "Topliveh"
Pity I have lived with it .. eh ??