Death knell of Sea Schools?

[Sharky34]

"that fear will drive you"? What the hell does that mean?
You continually bleat, that this situation is nothing to worry about, well imo it is & again that is being realistic.
You can call it whatever you like, but ignore it at your peril.

Fear creates irrational though, it creates paranoia and in some cases allows people to make mistakes, based on illogical steps , it is part of human evolution, fight and flight response, If I Stand perfectly still this elephant will not charge, this is a proven fact in most cases, but if I run as my body screams to do , the elephant picks this up as fear and a challenge and charges
Can be added to sailing as this is ofc a sailing discussion, the more knowledge one has the more they will make the right decisions in a fearful event , say a storm, etc, panic and fear may cost lives , a good knowledge and fear response may save lives
Most of your posts are fear driven and are escalating a situation that may make you not see the sense of it all as you are driven by fear and lack of knowledge of this particular subject ,

None of my posts are fear driven, I accept that I will die, but ignoring this major threat, as if it is of no consequence is simply irrational & illogical.
Standing still, has no effect on this virus, anymore than running does, you may have noticed, there are few elephants roaming our streets, but lots of virus.

 

[FlyingGoose]

None of my posts are fear driven, I accept that I will die, but ignoring this major threat, as if it is of no consequence is simply irrational & illogical.
Standing still, has no effect on this virus, anymore than running does, you may have noticed, there are few elephants roaming our streets, but lots of virus.

Analogy =a comparison between one thing and another, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification
The lack of knowledge and your posts are constantly about the worst cases, the worst outcome, the worst for humanity, which has been dismissed through statistics and science, which is the knowledge , without understand this the fear can creep in

 

[PhillM]

Unfortunately the furlough scheme makes no allowance for reduced hours working. Working a single hour for the employer that furloughed you is a criminal offence.
Unlikely that finding casual alternative work will match the 80% offered by HMRC.
Must be the first time ever that you have been paid by the tax man NOT to work and penalised if you DO work!

I pretty sure that you can work for another employer, actually, wasn't the government encouraging people to go fruit picking, etc? So, you can keep the 80% and make more on top.

In the OP's case, you are right that he could not work in his own business.

 

[jac]

None of my posts are fear driven, I accept that I will die, but ignoring this major threat, as if it is of no consequence is simply irrational & illogical.
Standing still, has no effect on this virus, anymore than running does, you may have noticed, there are few elephants roaming our streets, but lots of virus.

You say "Major threat."

Even if it is say 1% mortality rate ( which looks overblown) then most of that will be those with pre existing conditions ( about 90% IIRC) although apparently being obese is also now identified as a risk factor.

SO assuming you're a averagely healthy person, no underlying conditions then your chance of dying is minimal - somewhere around that of Flu.

Do you cower like this every single winter when cold / Flu deaths go through the roof?

So if you insist that every winter we adopt the rules we have now then fine - you're being consistent. If not then you're be inconsistent. Why is it ok for 30-50k people to die of flu next winter but not of covid now?

 

[Sharky34]

Analogy =a comparison between one thing and another, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification
The lack of knowledge and your posts are constantly about the worst cases, the worst outcome, the worst for humanity, which has been dismissed through statistics and science, which is the knowledge , without understand this the fear can creep in

And you of course, have the knowledge.

 

[Sharky34]

You say "Major threat."

Even if it is say 1% mortality rate ( which looks overblown) then most of that will be those with pre existing conditions ( about 90% IIRC) although apparently being obese is also now identified as a risk factor.

SO assuming you're a averagely healthy person, no underlying conditions then your chance of dying is minimal - somewhere around that of Flu.

Do you cower like this every single winter when cold / Flu deaths go through the roof?

So if you insist that every winter we adopt the rules we have now then fine - you're being consistent. If not then you're be inconsistent. Why is it ok for 30-50k people to die of flu next winter but not of covid now?

Have you bothered to check death rates, what's happening to young children, the prevelance of massive strokes happening to young people, etc.
It is nothing like Flu, get used to it.

 

[PhillM]

Why does every thread end up with an argument between the same two or three people, wanting to dispute the same old facts about the virus. Can you not take it off to the lounge, PLEASE!

This thread is about sailing schools and what might become of training in the future NOT another place to argue about infection and death rates. Am I the only one that thinks the forum will just fizzle out if these guys don't pack it in and let the rest of us get back to discussing or hobby?

@Moderator can you please deal with this?

 

[FlyingGoose]

Why does ever thread end up with an argument between the same two or three people, wanting to dispute the same old facts about the virus. Can you not take it off to the lounge, PLEASE!

This thread is about sailing schools and what might become of training in the future NOT another place to argue about infection and death rates. Am I the only one that thinks the forum will just fizzle out if these guys don't pack it in and let the rest of us get back to discussing or hobby?

Many threads have a habit of drifting all over the place especially after page 5 and 87 posts, it is the nature of threads this one is no different to the PBO when batteries are discussed or anchors , if goes of into many tangents , , as the virus is topical and does in fact relate to the sailing schools ability to operate , some posts do not mention the school aspect but it is all relevant in the big picture, if we kept threads to the one question we would have 5 posts and no arguments whats the point in that
There is the ability to put people on ignore so that you can get to the points you think are relevant.
I am afraid covid 19 and sailing are going hand in hand at the moment due to how it affects many aspects of sailing

 

[Poignard]

Tip of the day:

Any thread started by the troll Sharky 34 will end up in a big argument. That's why he starts them.

 

[Uricanejack]

The OP isn't about survival of one man band SS, its about whether there will be any customers willing to take the risk of living cheek by jowl, with a load of strangers.

Your original post. Refers to when this is all over. I took this to mean when the threat is considered to be over or at least contained sufficiently enough to allow all current restrictions to be lifted.
The question then becomes “why not” and will include many activities. Will I go on a sailing course after this. The answer will be dependent on my desire to go sailing and if the course is relevant to me.
Finding a provider may in the short term not be easy.

perhaps naively I do not expect the world to end any time soon. Some people may not return to the way things were, most will.

I have already noticed, people here are out and about more, The government is beginning to lift some restrictions. While others like sailing are getting stricter.
I don’t expect non essential travel to return for quite a while. Sailing and Sailing instruction appears to be ways off yet.

Will people return to cruise ships, holiday resorts, cheep charter flights, busses, trains, or working at the office.
I think most of us will, I certainly hope I will.,
I hope and wish for all of us here to be able to return to sailing as we have known it.

 

[yesCDWplease]

Right, so...

I'm a prospective Day skipper Practical student myself. I've not done any formal theory training mind you, but there's nothing like four weeks away from work to motivate one to pick up the exercise book, plotter and training charts. I think after that and a few enlightening conversations here that I'm not wasting my time going straight to Day Skipper (I'll call it dazed kipper when I've earned it)

I'll be going out when I can, which in Ireland will probably be September at the earliest.

I'll give a few sailing schools a call tomorrow and report back on the off chance that anyone is actually interested in the topic.

 

[Uricanejack]

I think you have a good plan, might as well do an on line theory course if you have the time on your hands.
Contacting a school to express interest, when conditions permit, seams like a good idea. The can then let you know when they will be returning to operation.

For me, I had a plan to take an advanced MC course, at the beginning of this season. Didn’t work out, everything closed down. Now it looks like it’s a possibility at the end of May. Or maybe later, if that is how it goes. My kayak trip is still completely out the question. Sailing not looking promising yet.

 

[Sharky34]

Tip of the day:

Any thread started by the troll Sharky 34 will end up in a big argument. That's why he starts them.

Takes 2, to make it an argument, that's why you are still allowed to post.

 

[Sharky34]

Your original post. Refers to when this is all over. I took this to mean when the threat is considered to be over or at least contained sufficiently enough to allow all current restrictions to be lifted.
The question then becomes “why not” and will include many activities. Will I go on a sailing course after this. The answer will be dependent on my desire to go sailing and if the course is relevant to me.
Finding a provider may in the short term not be easy.

perhaps naively I do not expect the world to end any time soon. Some people may not return to the way things were, most will.

I have already noticed, people here are out and about more, The government is beginning to lift some restrictions. While others like sailing are getting stricter.
I don’t expect non essential travel to return for quite a while. Sailing and Sailing instruction appears to be ways off yet.

Will people return to cruise ships, holiday resorts, cheep charter flights, busses, trains, or working at the office.
I think most of us will, I certainly hope I will.,
I hope and wish for all of us here to be able to return to sailing as we have known it.

Yes, the OP did refer to that, but when experts are continuing to say the threat will still exist, will people want to ignore the social distancing they are now used too?

 

[dom]

Takes 2, to make it an argument, that's why you are still allowed to post.

You know Sharky, this is primarily a sailing forum but a bit if fun is always welcome.

And yet these endless idiotic posts on the loss of livelihoods within this niche part of the sailing industry is wearing a bit thin. Some may call it tasteless, others worse.

Time to do the right thing and stop?

 

[Sharky34]

You know Sharky, this is primarily a sailing forum but a bit if fun is always welcome.

And yet these endless idiotic posts on the loss of livelihoods within this niche part of the sailing industry is wearing a bit thin. Some may call it tasteless, others worse.

Time to do the right thing and stop?

What "idiotic posts"?
The OP was/is still a valid question.

 

[Lucky Duck]

The OP is an interesting question

However, judging by your posting history you want the restrictions to continue for quite some time (probably more than a year) and consider the resultant damage to the economy an opportunity to revert to simpler times - for example people not buying new cars.

In which case few will be able to go sailing as the supply chain supporting it will have all but collapsed so its a moot point.

 

[NotBirdseye]

You say "Major threat."

Even if it is say 1% mortality rate ( which looks overblown) then most of that will be those with pre existing conditions ( about 90% IIRC) although apparently being obese is also now identified as a risk factor.

SO assuming you're a averagely healthy person, no underlying conditions then your chance of dying is minimal - somewhere around that of Flu.

Do you cower like this every single winter when cold / Flu deaths go through the roof?

So if you insist that every winter we adopt the rules we have now then fine - you're being consistent. If not then you're be inconsistent. Why is it ok for 30-50k people to die of flu next winter but not of covid now?

The initial predicted rate by the WHO was 2% as of March 3rd it's 3.4%. Flu typically kills less than 1%. The fact of the matter is that it is still far far too early to tell what the mortality rate is. Even the tentative study published 6 days ago puts the average of at least 1.5% and that hasn't been peer reviewed yet. According to Worldometer taking the cases that have been resolved the death rate is 18.5% with around 81.5% recovering after contracting it. (Take with pinch of salt because uk does not have accurate figures and not all countries report those that have recovered so it may look higher for those that have died).

I for one do take precautions and many people choose to take the damn vaccine that reduces the numbers of deaths each year to below 1000. Guess what we don't have for Covid-19 yet?

As Sharky34 points out, this is a big deal.

 

[dom]

What "idiotic posts"?
The OP was/is still a valid question.

The OP was indeed a valid question.

In which light, can you show just one of your many posts where you coherently address the question, or even try too?

That's what I mean by idiotic. Perhaps it's what the Lounge is for.

 

[capnsensible]

• The RYA offers more than 100 different theory and practical training courses
• In excess of 250,000 RYA certificates were issued in 2017
• The most popular course in 2017 was RYA Powerboat Level 2, with approximately 30,000 people taking the course
• There are more than 2,400 recognised RYA Training Centres worldwide, with more than 600 of these outside the UK across 58 different countries.
• Almost 15,000 people undertook an RYA ELearning course in 2017

Thats one year. For those who consider it a 'niche'. Who knows how charter companies are gonna fare??