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Being mindful of TCM’s recent promise to be nice to new posters, I’ve decided to risk picking the Forum’s collective brains.

So here’s my question. I’ve messed around in boats, both power and sail but usually other people’s, most of my life. I want to move beyond my current boating arrangements (aged Mirror dinghy with a Mariner 2hp o/b plus rag ‘n stick) into ownership of something more sophisticated, with an engine rather than an egg whisk. I’m looking for something second hand, of 6 – 8 metres, that will accommodate me and Mrs jhr plus our 2 kids (8 and 5) mostly for day trips with an occasional overnight stay – therefore probably cuddy cabin plus camper cover. I want reasonable performance, solid build and good seakeeping, though I have absolutely no intention of indulging in headbanging rough weather antics and would aim, mostly, to increase the overcrowding in the Solent with the odd fair weather foray to places like Poole. Not too old. Purchase budget (including any necessary re-equipping) of about £20K.

I guess this means (a) Petrol and (b) US mass market manufacturer. I like the look of the SeaRay 215. However, do they suffer from Binliner-type build quality/equipment decay? Are they reliable? (I am “mechanically challenged”) Am I being hopelessly over optimistic about getting a reasonable s/hand one for that money? Is it a good time to buy now, or should I wait for post LBS panic to set in among vendors? Any suggestions for an alternative to a SeaRay? Am I insane?

All comments gratefully received. Well, most, anyway.


P.S. The stupidest thing I ever did: Getting into the Mirror from a pontoon, the dinghy (moored at the bow only) slid away from me as I descended and then, with graceful inevitability followed the laws of physics by capsizing, dumping me in the water and immersing the outboard, which I’d just lowered into the boat. Back on the pontoon, I emptied my pockets, managing - with considerable skill - to drop the keys of my locked car into the water at the same time. Yes; I know they should have been attached to something.

I then spent an enjoyable few minutes diving down into cold, murky water and trying to find the keys by touch, which was about as successful as you might imagine. This was all considered hugely amusing by the assembled crowd of onlookers (it was at Bucklers Hard on a Bank Holiday afternoon….) Fortunately it was round about LWS and, amazingly, I managed to get the keys before they were dragged along the river bottom by the tide or buried in silt, by fishing with the Harbourmaster’s big magnet on a rope thingy. The outboard lived to fight another day.

I made an excuse and left.
 

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What do you call 'reasonable performance'?

If you want only about 10-15 knots, try a princess 32 with twin v*lv*s!!
or project 31 / Senior 31.

probably Byron or TCM will advise you better, but this may help



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I've got a 27ft Sunseeker Monterey, on a trailer, for sale if you're interested. PM me an email address if you want details / pictures.

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princess 32,

solid

re sellable

british

basic but will be keep going

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£10-15k gets you the best - A FAIRLINE HOLIDAY (but you cant have mine see cus I wanna keep it). Speed around 25knts - four full berths inside. Excellent design see pics below for an example.

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Not me mate, I can advise on tech.spec. on earlier boats but hesitate to proffer advice on trailerables, there are far far better qualified dudes here.

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Ey. A reight proper lad. Who knows how newbies are supposed to behave. Lots of description and he's done a bit of research as well. I can see we've got a suitable replacement for Cutey Coli Holic in the falling in stakes. And much more elequently written.

You do not say whether you intend to keep the boat on a trailer or in the water. A search for a berth round the Solent might be a first move. I would think it quite easy to find a boat at your buget price and for your intended use I would not knock a Binliner. You just have to weigh up the pro's and cons of. Smaller/newer. Bigger/Older. Also got to decide whether petrol or diesel. I would think petrol fine, for your intended boat size. As long as you accept the cost of the fuel.
The nearer you get to the 8 metre, then the arguement for diesel increases. If it was me, I'd go for as big a boat as possible, it can get awfull cramped in a little cuddy. Even if they do look enormous at the boat show. So bigger older boat IMHO

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If you're only overnighting , with kids, you need to be looking at 8m rather than 6m. Cuddy cabins are ok for one, fun for two if intimate, but bummer for family. Could stick younger ones in cockpit, especially if there are decent size bench seat and sunlounger under camper cover (doable in mine which is a Regal 2150) but whole family would be much happier in larger boat.

Where are you going to base boat and what type of mooring? Cost could become an issue as boat gets bigger?
 

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Too small for overnighting with family of four unless hardy types? I can rough and tumble, but with kids on board, would like something nearer the 8m mentioned
 

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Or what about a senior 26, get one with twin engines though for some speed



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Many thanks for all your suggestions - certainly some food for thought.

To reply to a couple of the questions you have raised:

Berthing - Solent is most convenient for me but I am well aware of the availability problems; this is one reason why I want something smaller rather than larger (berthing cost is obviously another). For preference I'd want to keep her in the water tho' I'm not averse to trailer launching. However, although I have a loverly boy racer Peugeot 406 V6, it doesn't have the Torque of the diesel models, so trailing anything of any size from home probably isn't an option and launching (or rather, recovery)could be challenging. I currently have a small boat park space on the Beaulieu River, which might be upgradable to <23 ft. so that may be an option.

Cramped conditions - yes, a trade-off between size and practicality. As a family, we sometimes go camping, so are used to cramped conditions, foul weather, inadequate facilities, children screaming at each other etc. Don't need to go camping for the latter, of course.....

BurgundyBen - a Fairey Spearfish is my dream boat, but completely out of my price range, of course. The others, though gorgeous, are all too old and expensive to maintain for me to consider seriously - I couldn't DIY enough stuff to make it a practicable proposition. But I love Faireys witha passion.

Once again, everyone, thanks for your advice. In the words of Arnold Schwartzenegger, I'll be back........
 

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Well in that case, I'd seriously look at a Bayliner. There modern and relitivly cheap. Quite good enough for plodding round the solent. Should find something much less than 20 grand.

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Exactly my spec a decade ago (6-8 metres). I went for a Sealine 195 on a trailor. Great fun we towed it all round the Med (Yugoslavia, Italy N.Spain)
You won't be doing many miles so I suggest that the cost of Petrol over Diesel will not amount to much relative to the total cost of ownership.
Get a hull survey done at least on any boat you eventually go for.
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Re: 20k

i would say that yes you'll get a nice boat for 20k. BarryD got an niceish boat for 12k (?), older but bigger thos otherwise similar spec, worth looking around that and gradually expanding until find an okish boat. You may be insane, but you only live once.
 
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