Cruising Association and Robin KJ wade into the Schengen 90/180 day problem.

[CAPTAIN FANTASTIC]

No, she wouldn't have said that, she'd have been quite horrified.

But if Mrs T - or anyone of her calibre who had Britain's true (i.e. best long-term) interests at heart - had been at the helm, then the gross errors of that fool Blair in the first instance and that fool Cameron in the second wouldn't have occurred.

In the meantime, the current fool and his sycophants can't even spell the word 'complexity'...

Agree, the current fool, who made a U turn from EU lover to Avti EU within months so that he could become a Prime Minister at the expense of Britain, capitalising on the nationalist culture, should be in prison for grossly misleading the country. But he is ok, he has a nice big house in Greece, (not far from my house there) a father who will bent the Covid 19 rules and also who managed to get a foreign passport so that he can move freely and a brother who he made him to a Lord!!. He also got rid of all of the Conservatives heavy guns so now he has no-one to give him a decent advice. He knows very well, that in order to remain at his post he needs to build Britain doing infrastructure projects to keep people employed (Chinese did the same during the 2008 financial collapse) and be seen as the champion with Covid19. He sold Britain by the pound. I wonder is he has the 90/180 days problem to worry about

 

[dom]

Personally, I doubt a bunch of yachties and vineyard owners huffing and puffing about additional bureaucracy is going to move the political dial!

Any more than UK banks bleating about the Bank of England's mooted new capital adequacy rules.

 

[Tranona]

Don't you love how Mrs T is selectively cited for her enthusiasm for the EEC (in the 1970s!) and the Single Market in the 1980s rather than her warnings in the Bruges speech in 1988 and subsequent reservations about the Lisbon Treaty, both of which were the foundations of the Eurosceptic movement. Who knows what she would have thought of the rising pressures for a referendum or the subsequent departure from the EU. After all she was gaga by the time the debate really got going - and 210 onwards is a very different Europe and World from the 1980s.

 

[Babylon]

You're not wrong, but my point was that a statesman of her calibre would have stood up more firmly both to the more committed federalists in Europe (which Blair in his arrogance singularly failed to even acknowledge) and simultaneously to the increasingly disruptive Eurosceptics in her own camp. Then, in more recent years, she would have been more likely to have gained traction in raising with the EU the dangers of alienating the UK by ignoring many of our entirely valid concerns (unlike Cameron who was simply sent packing with a flea in his ear).

There's no easy answer to the whole unfortunate situation (you'll have gathered that while I voted remain I'm not without my criticisms of the European 'project'), however we need a damned sight better than the current crop of liars, knife-wielders, grubs, children, bullies and dunces... and a custard-pie in the face of anyone who can't correctly identify exactly who I'm referring to!

 

[Flynnbarr]

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I know you’re really old but is that the only pic of Mrs Thatcher you have....it comes out every time..........wasn’t that 1975.....46 years ago!.....when it was just the common market.
The Bruges speech and no no no in the commons must have passed you by......you’re either not as well read as you like to think you are or you are very selective in what you post.........which is it ?

 

[Poignard]

I know you’re really old but is that the only pic of Mrs Thatcher you have....it comes out every time..........wasn’t that 1975.....46 years ago!.....when it was just the common market.
The Bruges speech and no no no in the commons must have passed you by......you’re either not as well read as you like to think you are or you are very selective in what you post.........which is it ?

You probably failed to notice that my post #116 was affirming what was said in post #115, and no more.

Still, unrealistic to expect you to have realised that.

Perhaps I ought to add some simple explanatory notes to make things easier for you to understand.

 

[Flynnbarr]

You probably failed to notice that my post #116 was affirming what was said in post #115, and no more.

Still, unrealistic to expect you to have realised that.

Perhaps I ought to add some simple explanatory notes to make things easier for you to understand.

Yes do that,that would be lovely......and maybe read up on what she thought about integration......oh and find another picture you’ve done that one to death

 

[Poignard]

Yes do that,that would be lovely......and maybe read up on what she thought about integration......oh and find another picture you’ve done that one to death

While I have your attention do you think you could explain what tangible benefits you think will follow from our leaving the EU and when we might expect to see them? Nobody else seems able to, despite repeated requests, but perhaps you have inside information denied to everyone else.

 

[Alicatt]

The clue is in the word "tourist". The UK is hardly a popular destination for real tourism from the EU in the same way as some EU countries are for Brits. However can you imagine the uproar if the Home Secretary tried to bring in Schengen style rules and enforcement into UK law to deal with the black economy issue, and all the other abuses.

Maybe for England, but Scotland is a very popular destination for European tourists. I'm constantly getting asked to map out places to go in Scotland for people, even getting asked if I'll rent out my house, and I have a queue of people wanting to come over with us when we can start traveling again.

In the 1970s our hotel got accreditation from the Touring club of Belgium and we had a lot of Dutch and Belgians stay with us.

I find that the people here are much more mobile and adventurist in going abroad, they use their Freedom of Movement almost daily. "Must nip over to Valkenswaard and get..." Germany is 20 minutes one way and Holland is 5 minutes the other for us

 

[ip485]

Is there anyway we can all forget Brexit, for the time being, whatever side of the fence we were on?

Is there anyway we can support sailors wanting to spend time on their own yacht cruising to various destinations whilst recognising that sailing is not the fastest way to travel?

If there isnt, is there anyway we can either support Robin (or not) and take all the other discussion (as interesting as it may be) to the lounge?

Maybe it is just me, but it all gets a little tedious, given the subject matter of the O/P.

 

[Alicatt]

Is there anyway we can all forget Brexit, for the time being, whatever side of the fence we were on?

Is there anyway we can support sailors wanting to spend time on their own yacht cruising to various destinations whilst recognising that sailing is not the fastest way to travel?

If there isnt, is there anyway we can either support Robin (or not) and take all the other discussion (as interesting as it may be) to the lounge?

Maybe it is just me, but it all gets a little tedious, given the subject matter of the O/P.

No, there is no way I will forget the harm those that voted for brexit have done to me and my family.

 

[ip485]

Alicatt - I can understand this, and I dont think you need to forget. However, it isnt going to change anytime soon, so my suggestion is to look to the future, and depending on your point of view, make the best of it, and in this case see if we can get some minor changes to the agreement across the line for the benefit of us all as sailors.

To use an analogy appropriate the ship has sailed, we might get a chance to revisit Brexit in the years to come, but you and I know this is going to happen any time soon.

 

[Tranona]

You're not wrong, but my point was that a statesman of her calibre would have stood up more firmly both to the more committed federalists in Europe (which Blair in his arrogance singularly failed to even acknowledge) and simultaneously to the increasingly disruptive Eurosceptics in her own camp. Then, in more recent years, she would have been more likely to have gained traction in raising with the EU the dangers of alienating the UK by ignoring many of our entirely valid concerns (unlike Cameron who was simply sent packing with a flea in his ear).

Could not agree more about about the quality of our leaders in recent times, which could in itself be the result of the declining attraction of politics because of the relationship with the EU. However I don't think a more skilful leader would have made much difference. The expansion of the EU and the declared objectives of the main players only increased the dissonance between UK and EU interests.

My concern is about whether our politicians of the future will have the vision and competence to take advantage of the new environment.

 

[Tranona]

Maybe for England, but Scotland is a very popular destination for European tourists. I'm constantly getting asked to map out places to go in Scotland for people, even getting asked if I'll rent out my house, and I have a queue of people wanting to come over with us when we can start traveling again.

In the 1970s our hotel got accreditation from the Touring club of Belgium and we had a lot of Dutch and Belgians stay with us.

I find that the people here are much more mobile and adventurist in going abroad, they use their Freedom of Movement almost daily. "Must nip over to Valkenswaard and get..." Germany is 20 minutes one way and Holland is 5 minutes the other for us

Well, tourists go to tourist places. You can say the same about the Cotswolds, Devon and Cornwall, and indeed my home county of Dorset. We see plenty of tourists from Europe. Equally for the last 30 years we have had twice a day ferries to Cherbourg and many of us pop over for a day or 2 or even longer. In the 1980s before we got our boat in Greece, we used to visit France at least 6 times a year on short holidays on top of the 2 o 3 business visits to our partner universities.

On the other hand there are whole swathes of the country where millions of people live who would not see a foreign visitor at all. Same in France and Germany et al. The reality is that tourists visit holiday locations which for most people means sunshine (or snow) - plus a small minority visit places of cultural or historic interest. Hence the imbalance of numbers (and value) discussed earlier. Easily explained (as is the trade with the single market) not by proximity, but the economic theory of Comparative Advantage.

 

[Alicatt]

Alicatt - I can understand this, and I dont think you need to forget. However, it isnt going to change anytime soon, so my suggestion is to look to the future, and depending on your point of view, make the best of it, and in this case see if we can get some minor changes to the agreement across the line for the benefit of us all as sailors.

To use an analogy appropriate the ship has sailed, we might get a chance to revisit Brexit in the years to come, but you and I know this is going to happen any time soon.

That I know, but it leaves a bitter taste in your mouth when just in the last couple of months it has cost you thousands of pounds because of measures you have had to take because of brexit.

Edit: I do hope they manage to get something sorted out FOR EVERYONE, but maybe it is right that the UK is limited to their 90/180, let people feel how it is going to affect them and maybe it will get sorted out to a better balance sooner.

 

[chriss999]

Could not agree more about about the quality of our leaders in recent times ...

My concern is about whether our politicians of the future will have the vision and competence to take advantage of the new environment.

My chief concern is whether the current batch of politicians, who got us into this mess, have any idea how to get us out of it. Maybe next year they’ll give it some thought?

Judging the politicians of the future is some way down my priorities.

 

[Beneteau381]

While I have your attention do you think you could explain what tangible benefits you think will follow from our leaving the EU and when we might expect to see them? Nobody else seems able to, despite repeated requests, but perhaps you have inside information denied to everyone else.

Just popped in and thought Woo! in wrong place here ive fallen in to the Lounge!

 

[Poignard]

Just popped in and thought Woo! in wrong place here ive fallen in to the Lounge!

How will the 90/180 day restriction affect your sailing plans, not being able to come and go as freely as you could before?

 

[Babylon]

Just popped in and thought Woo! in wrong place here ive fallen in to the Lounge!

Don't worry - its the non-smoking part...!

 

[Beneteau381]

How will the 90/180 day restriction affect your sailing plans, not being able to come and go as freely as you could before?

It wont.