Cruising Association and Robin KJ wade into the Schengen 90/180 day problem.

[Poignard]

It wont.

Well it will mine, and a lot of other people's, so you won't be surprised to learn that we aren't very happy about it.

 

[Beneteau381]

Well it will mine, and a lot of other people's, so you won't be surprised to learn that we aren' t very happy about it.

Isnt France doing a similar thing to Portugal?

 

[Poignard]

Isnt France doing a similar thing to Portugal?

I don't know.

 

[Caladh]

Yup I will continue to let any acquaintance of mine who voted for Brexit that they have restricted MY freedom of movement. ....and NO I will will not suck it up antime soon. RKJ is high profile so all credit to him for adding his voice to those of us who want 180/360 as EU citizens have to the UK. I see we that now we have apparently “taken control of our borders“ - however can’t find someone of great importance to everyone’s health who came through “the system” ....... rant over.

 

[Frogmogman]

Alicatt - I can understand this, and I dont think you need to forget. However, it isnt going to change anytime soon, so my suggestion is to look to the future, and depending on your point of view, make the best of it, and in this case see if we can get some minor changes to the agreement across the line for the benefit of us all as sailors.

To use an analogy appropriate the ship has sailed, we might get a chance to revisit Brexit in the years to come, but you and I know this is going to happen any time soon.

Much though I deplore Brexit, I do agree with you that it has happened, and now we all need to move on and make the best of it, despite the myriad small inconveniences we face as a result of it. Tempting though it may for those of us who are against the whole project, when discussing these sort of issues, to revel in the schadenfreude of it all, what's important is that things move forward and start to function more normally. “I told you so" butters no parsnips. We all need to try and make it work.

Those of us who don't like what has happened need to remember that we can no longer be remainers; that ship has sailed. We must think of ourselves as rejoiners. In time, we can start to make the arguments for the UK (if it still exists as such) to find it's place back in the centre of Europe, but in the meantime, we all need to do whatever we can to make the best of the situation

 

[doug748]

Of course it's sad for folk with second homes, camper vans, long term retired and, indeed, boats who have been used to having long term visits. Aside from that, HMG only gains, and massively, from the 90 day rule.

They would be stupid to negotiate, as if seeking a concession, when in reality the only winners would be the EU nations. To be brutal, they will approach the UK with ways forward when the penny drops.

It's what our Continental cousins call Realpolitik.

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[syvictoria]

Aside from that, HMG only gains, and massively, from the 90 day rule.

??? Are you suggesting that our government has purposely chosen to restrict our freedoms? I.e.: Actively, rather than as a consequence of other things? Or have you forgotten that the UK offers EU citizens a renewable 180 days?

 

[Poignard]

Of course it's sad for folk with second homes, camper vans, long term retired and, indeed, boats who have been used to having long term visits. Aside from that, HMG only gains, and massively, from the 90 day rule.

They would be stupid to negotiate, as if seeking a concession, when in reality the only winners would be the EU nations. To be brutal, they will approach the UK with ways forward when the penny drops.

It's what our Continental cousins call Realpolitik.

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What, exactly, does a Tory government gain by causing inconvenience and annoyance to those who, traditionally, have been most likely to vote Tory?

 

[Resolution]

What, exactly, does a Tory government gain by causing inconvenience and annoyance to those who, traditionally, have been most likely to vote Tory?

As a Conservative party member I did not vote for BJ to become party leader. Once he had been elected and called the general election, I ceased to be a Conservative party member and voted for another party for the first time in 50 years. All other things being equal, I probably would vote for a “re-join” party right now.

 

[TernVI]

As a Conservative party member I did not vote for BJ to become party leader. Once he had been elected and called the general election, I ceased to be a Conservative party member and voted for another party for the first time in 50 years. All other things being equal, I probably would vote for a “re-join” party right now.

So we can blame you for selecting Cameron and May to get us into this mess?

 

[Babylon]

So we can blame you for selecting Cameron and May to get us into this mess?

Lightweight response - lacks depth, breadth and perspicacity.

 

[Capt Popeye]

I am supporting the cruising/liveaboard community, plus others who wish to spend extended periods in the EU - after all, that's what this thread is about, isn't it?

Yep I understand that; but just consider that our British Govts have FIRST to consider the British possition re Safety, National Security, with any EU country before concerning themselves with smaller matters during our Brexit negotiations; guess its understandable that as we decided to leave that dreadfull EU different rules conditions will apply to those Brits who chose to remain as Brits but wish to spend ling times abroad in the EU ; surely its just a matter of abiding by whatever the rules are post Brexit and making the adjustments to ones lifestyle choices, including paying for one's own pleasures; surely living in the EU is not unsimilar to living in any other non EU country ?

Unless one is prevented from Living in the EU there is not really any problem, just its not now as easy or cheap as when we all were paying for your choices

 

[Capt Popeye]

While I have your attention do you think you could explain what tangible benefits you think will follow from our leaving the EU and when we might expect to see them? Nobody else seems able to, despite repeated requests, but perhaps you have inside information denied to everyone else.

We;ll guess that its a very well kept secret; those in 'The Loop', 'In the Know', know full well the Benefits and do not need to constanly speak them or publicise them ; maybe there are a 5th column onboard Ship, who if they knew whats what, for sure, they might attempt to Scupper Our Ship

So Mum's the best word, careless talk costs lives, plus can scupper our plans

 

[RupertW]

Maybe for England, but Scotland is a very popular destination for European tourists. I'm constantly getting asked to map out places to go in Scotland for people, even getting asked if I'll rent out my house, and I have a queue of people wanting to come over with us when we can start traveling again.

In the 1970s our hotel got accreditation from the Touring club of Belgium and we had a lot of Dutch and Belgians stay with us.

I find that the people here are much more mobile and adventurist in going abroad, they use their Freedom of Movement almost daily. "Must nip over to Valkenswaard and get..." Germany is 20 minutes one way and Holland is 5 minutes the other for us

Scotland with 3.5m overseas visits does indeed get a much bigger impact from tourism than England which only gets about 33m overseas visits despite its vastly higher GDP and population. But in European terms even Scotland is not that significant.

 

[RupertW]

Much though I deplore Brexit, I do agree with you that it has happened, and now we all need to move on and make the best of it, despite the myriad small inconveniences we face as a result of it. Tempting though it may for those of us who are against the whole project, when discussing these sort of issues, to revel in the schadenfreude of it all, what's important is that things move forward and start to function more normally. “I told you so" butters no parsnips. We all need to try and make it work.

Those of us who don't like what has happened need to remember that we can no longer be remainers; that ship has sailed. We must think of ourselves as rejoiners. In time, we can start to make the arguments for the UK (if it still exists as such) to find it's place back in the centre of Europe, but in the meantime, we all need to do whatever we can to make the best of the situation

I completely disagree - nothing is fixed, not our joining decades ago and not our leaving now. Wasting our time on this kind of pointless fluff instead of tackling the matter of our huge mistake which caused it is like concentrating on getting a better bandage as we keep stabbing ourselves.

 

[Resolution]

So we can blame you for selecting Cameron and May to get us into this mess?

You've got me on Cameron, who was probably a good PM except for the one tiny tiny (?) misjudgement.

 

[syvictoria]

Yep I understand that; but just consider that our British Govts have FIRST to consider the British possition re Safety, National Security, with any EU country before concerning themselves with smaller matters during our Brexit negotiations; guess its understandable that as we decided to leave that dreadfull EU different rules conditions will apply to those Brits who chose to remain as Brits but wish to spend ling times abroad in the EU ; surely its just a matter of abiding by whatever the rules are post Brexit and making the adjustments to ones lifestyle choices, including paying for one's own pleasures; surely living in the EU is not unsimilar to living in any other non EU country ?

Unless one is prevented from Living in the EU there is not really any problem, just its not now as easy or cheap as when we all were paying for your choices

The above is simply not true if you wish to cruise/travel continuously - you are then unable to meet residency requirements and long term tourist visas aren't available everywhere.

And please drop the sanctimonious "paying for other people's choices" rubbish. We all contribute and we all take, one way or the other. It's called society.

 

[Capt Popeye]

How will the 90/180 day restriction affect your sailing plans, not being able to come and go as freely as you could before?

Nah will not effect my sailing plans at all; although it just might make my favourite cruising grounds a teeny bit busier, thats if them that would have cruised an EU country decide to Cruise our secret East Coast , that would really irk me , buggering up my well laid plans

Untill East Anglia has declared a break from Mother Country no one will bgr up my cruising grounds for me , plus I can spend 365 days there is I so wish , each year , knowing that all I spend will benefit our Brexit Britain financially , through Moorings, Services, Sails, Rigging, fuel plus food and accomodation plus plus I will not pretend to understand a foreign language , thats if the others from distant parts like Midlands or Scotland keep away

 

[Poignard]

Nah will not effect my sailing plans at all; although it just might make my favourite cruising grounds a teeny bit busier, thats if them that would have cruised an EU country decide to Cruise our secret East Coast , that would really irk me , buggering up my well laid plans

Untill East Anglia has declared a break from Mother Country no one will bgr up my cruising grounds for me , plus I can spend 365 days there is I so wish , each year , knowing that all I spend will benefit our Brexit Britain financially , through Moorings, Services, Sails, Rigging, fuel lus food and accomodation plus plus I will not pretend to understand a foreign language , thats if the others from distant parts like Midlands or Scotland keep away

Well some of us are a little more adventurous than you and have broader horizons.

 

[Alicatt]

Aside from that, HMG only gains, and massively, from the 90 day rule.

Well HMG lost my contribution to their coffers as I've had to relocate to be with my family, now Belgium will get any largess I have to bestow, still that is only small fry in the scheme of things.
At least under the WA the UK government will have to pay my pension, index linked, to me here and then I can spend it on good old Belgian Trappist Ales. ?