Cross border posting

[Ex-SolentBoy]

There was an article recently saying that if independant the scots have more in common with nordic countries and should join a nordic alliance, on that basis the welsh, cornish and bretons can join ireland to form a celtic block and england south of the M4 could rejoin Normandy with the isles anglo normande and HM resume the title of Duke of Normandy. What of the bit left? The rest of england could join belgium to form an enlarged benlux group, only thing is they would have to change the colour of diesel on the service stations on the north side of the M4 otherwise I cant see any problem with it? I have always felt more at home in Cherbourg than say Birmingham.

Won't this leave the Independent Kingdom of Newport Pagnel undefended?

 

[Lady Campanula]

I've heard it argued that a Scotland, independent of the flaccid, disfunctional and unrepresentative Westminster arrangement, will prove to be self-sufficient in energy - from oil and gas, and from wind, waves and tides. Like Norway, prudent stewardship should give the Scottish society of the next 25 years, and beyond, the basis for a secure future.

Much of the Victorian 'British Empire' was built on innovative Scottish engineering - which was based on a higher quality and breadth of education for both rich and poor. That quality and advantage could readily be renewed, so that Scottish children will be equipped with the thinking skills and the practical knowledge to earn their keep in a highly competitive world.

At a time when English education, turning in circles, is producing more and more young adults incapable of writing a coherent sentence, counting their change, holding down a job, or exhibiting that hallmark of civilisation - good manners - I fear for the ebbing economic prospects of an enfeebled and uncompetitive South.

 

[LADY B]

Much of the Victorian 'British Empire' was built on innovative Scottish engineering - which was based on a higher quality and breadth of education for both rich and poor. That quality and advantage could readily be renewed, so that Scottish children will be equipped with the thinking skills and the practical knowledge to earn their keep in a highly competitive world.

At a time when English education, turning in circles, is producing more and more young adults incapable of writing a coherent sentence, counting their change, holding down a job, or exhibiting that hallmark of civilisation - good manners - I fear for the ebbing economic prospects of an enfeebled and uncompetitive South.

Unfortunately Scottish Education has been destroyed by the same race to the bottom as in the rest of the UK...

 

[Norman_E]

I can't wait for Scottish independance. Scotland can have all the debts that a certain Scottish chancellor ran up.

 

[uxb]

P.S. if you want the oil and gas we will be happy to rent you some oil rigs and pipelines.

Idiot.

1. Oil rigs only drill for oil. Production platforms produce oil and gas.

2. England has some knackered gas fields and no oil producing infrastructure ( offshore at least)

 

[uxb]

I can't wait for Scottish independance. Scotland can have all the debts that a certain Scottish chancellor ran up.

Idiot No.2

If it wasn't for that particular idiot you'd be in the euro along with all the other basket case soon-to-be-worthless currencies.

 

[webcraft]

P.S. if you want the oil and gas we will be happy to rent you some oil rigs and pipelines.

You don't know much about the oil industry either, do you? The British government sold its last shares in BP company in 1987. The UK doesn't own any rigs, platforms or pipelines - they are all owned by private companies, and the owners will go where the oil and the money is.

- W

 

[webcraft]

That's just the funny thing, your average English man knows little about Scotland.

Yet they all seem to feel qualified to comment. Strange.

- W

 

[uxb]

Webby- I thought you were on a break???

 

[trapezeartist]

Yet they all seem to feel qualified to comment. Strange.

When one part of the United Kingdom wants to break up that Union, I do feel that the rest of the United Kingdom is qualified to comment, yes.

But please don't get me wrong. It doesn't mean that I want to stay in the Union with you.

 

[uxb]

When one part of the United Kingdom wants to break up that Union, I do feel that the rest of the United Kingdom is qualified to comment, yes.
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No.

It's nothing to do with you- it's us scraping you lot off..

 

[NormanS]

There is no suggestion that the United KINGDOM will break up. It's the Union of the parliaments, which took place 100 years later, which will be disolved.

 

[webcraft]

Webby- I thought you were on a break???

Only from the Lounge.

- W

 

[DaveS]

There is no suggestion that the United KINGDOM will break up. It's the Union of the parliaments, which took place 100 years later, which will be disolved.

I don't think that's quite correct. Scotland and England have had a common monarch since 1603, but the United Kingdom of Great Britain only came into existance in 1707 on the establishment of political union between Scotland and England. (Wales wasn't mentioned at the time, somewhat unfairly, but appears to have been regarded as assumed within England for treaty purposes.) A subsequent merger in 1800 then secession in 1922 leaves the current full title as United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

If and when Scotland becomes independent it will have the same monarch as the United Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland, just as currently the UK has the same monarch as Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

 

[NormanS]

I don't think that's quite correct. Scotland and England have had a common monarch since 1603, but the United Kingdom of Great Britain only came into existance in 1707 on the establishment of political union between Scotland and England. (Wales wasn't mentioned at the time, somewhat unfairly, but appears to have been regarded as assumed within England for treaty purposes.) A subsequent merger in 1800 then secession in 1922 leaves the current full title as United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

If and when Scotland becomes independent it will have the same monarch as the United Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland, just as currently the UK has the same monarch as Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

So if it wasn't a united Kingdom in 1603, what was it? Seeing as the Kingdom was united by James V1 going down England, and becoming King of the two countries.

 

[DaveS]

So if it wasn't a united Kingdom in 1603, what was it? Seeing as the Kingdom was united by James V1 going down England, and becoming King of the two countries.

When James VI inherited the English crown he became King of England as well as remaining King of Scots. At that time the monarch was very much at the centre of government, so a de facto single centralised administration was inevitably established in London, but the countries remained legally separate with their own laws and judiciaries, the Scottish parliament continuing to sit as before.

So from 1603 to 1707 it would be fair to regard Britain as a partially united kingdom, but certainly not in any legal sense the United Kingdom or a single country. Thus, when Charles the first was executed at the command of the English parliament, the Scottish parliament resolved to punitively invade England since the English had judicially murdered the King of Scots.

 

[aluijten]

Is it only because I'm no part of the UK but I see interesting analogies between the UK versus the EU discussion and the England versus Scotland discussions. Most of them being of an emotional nature by the way.

 

[ukmctc]

as indepenence will never happen in Scotland, nor any other part of the UK. What was the question?

Gaelic is not the National Language of Scotland either, Scots is. Only 1% of Scots speak the Gaelic, and its Irish anyway.

We don't want indepenence, speaking as a Scot, have you seen the Pillocks we have as MP's, not even elected!

We couldn't run on our own, (living proof in Edinburgh) nor could the Uk lose the money from Scotland or the Army we supply to the British Government to fight their wars.

 

[ukmctc]

Idiot.

1. Oil rigs only drill for oil. Production platforms produce oil and gas.

2. England has some knackered gas fields and no oil producing infrastructure ( offshore at least)[/QUote

Yep, we here in Scotland don't own it either, all owned by private companies, I believe mostly US.

 

[Ex-SolentBoy]

You don't know much about the oil industry either, do you? The British government sold its last shares in BP company in 1987. The UK doesn't own any rigs, platforms or pipelines - they are all owned by private companies, and the owners will go where the oil and the money is.

- W

Idiot 3.

And if Scotland became independent of course the new parliament will be happy for the taxes and fees those companies pay to go straight to the English.

Cloud cuckoo land, or Scotland as we call it.