Coppercoat experience

MapisM

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I already mentioned this in some previous thread, but just to recap, after stripping the hull to bare gelcoat at the end of last season, I decided to give CC a try.
No previous first hand experience, but considering also some gelcoat blistering which appeared after sandblasting the hull (13yo boat), particularly along the spray rails, CC seemed a very logical choice also from an economic standpoint.
In fact, after leaving the sandblasted hull (which was already pretty dry anyway) sheltered for several months, she was in ideal conditions for applying an epoxy treatment, and in this sense CC is a way of killing two birds with one stone, because eventually its cost was in the same ballpark of a gelshield treatment plus application of traditional a/f.

So, coming to the point: the boat went back in the water by mid of June, and about 10 days later we started a 1200Nm delivery trip, reaching our destination at the end of July. During that timeframe, the hull remained always very clean, but then again, the boat never stayed moored/anchored for more than 3 or 4 days in a row, so that was to be expected.
Afterward, the boat stayed moored most of the time during August (including a couple of weeks when we flew back home), and upon the few times when we went out for a swim, making just a dozen of miles max each time, and at slowish speed, I never bothered re-checking the hull.
But yesterday, while at anchor in warm and crystal clear waters, I though to have a good look underneath.
And I found several spots along the bottom with red/brownish round "bubbles", ranging from a diameter of a few mm up to 15mm max, which didn't seem bothered at all from CC, and were happily growing on it.
In a very few other spots, mostly along the bottom side of the chines, I also found some barnacles.
I didn't have any u/w camera handy, so no pics, sorry.

Now, a few thoughts:
First of all, I saw in the past this very same type of growth on other hulls (not just my previous one, but also others) treated with traditional a/f, so I suppose it would have been unrealistic to expect CC to keep the hull much cleaner.
Secondly, these red/brownish spots (apropos, do they have any specific name?) could be easily cleaned with a soft brush, leaving the underneath CC surface intact.
Last but not least, the barnacles: they were more strongly attached to the bottom compared to the above type of growth, and required a sort of plastic scraper to remove them. But again, that's nothing new vs. my previous experience with traditional a/f.
Otoh, when in the past I removed some barnacles, they always seemed to have "eaten" some of the a/f underneath. At least, after removing them, the a/f surface seemed a bit "holed" behind them, to some extent - as if they grew some roots inside it.
Now, with CC, after removing the barnacles, the surface returned as smooth as new, to the point that it was impossible to tell where the barnacle was attached.
I suppose this has something to see with the fact that CC is based on an epoxy resin, which obviously is strong enough to resist the aggression of the critters, even if they can still manage to grab the surface and stay strongly attached to it.
In turn, this gives me hope that the CC claims about its duration have a decent chance to materialize in the long run, though obviously I can't tell anything about that yet.

Anyway, I summarized this because I would be curious to hear from others who used CC if the above sounds familiar, and/or if anyone had different experiences (and if so, how).
So, over to you folks, and thanks in advance!
 
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Interesting P. I have not had a look at Rafiki's CC yet, and will do so soon to check anodes and clean the props, so will report back in due course. I can't see anything visibly growing around the waterline, so am hopeful of a good result.
 
I can't see anything visibly growing around the waterline, so am hopeful of a good result.
Actually, from the chine up to the w/l (and obviously also above, for another 2 inches or so up to the CC border), also in my boat I had zero growth.
In fact, nothing of what I said previously had any chance to be seen from the dock.
The barnacles were mostly just under the chines along the hull sides, with a very few exceptions deeper down. I mean, something like 10 or so "deep" barnacles around the whole hull surface, compared to a few dozens under the chines.
The other red/brown "bubbles" were instead evenly distributed around the whole bottom, but also those did not affect the visible parts of the hull sides.
Looking fwd to hearing about your findings! :encouragement:

PS @rubberduck:
yep, I believe that a powerwash would have removed the barnacles also in my boat.
I said that they required a plastic scraper just because I did the job in the water, with no other tools!
 
We had CC applied about 4 years ago, the first season was the worst, lots of weed and just a few small barnacles, all of which came off easily with the wipe of my gloved hand. Each year from then the growth has been less and less, with no hard growth (barnacles and tube worms) at all. I'm very pleased, quite different to how I felt at the end of the first year.
 
As some of you have just read in this months MBY I put coppercoat on my sunseeker Superhawk. The boat has just been lifted out (today) and there is Very little or no growth on the now green cc. In some places ther is discolouration Andy treatises but this may be just the effect of the boat drying. More worryingly there are a few bubbles in the paint, like an osmosis bubble and I am investigating with Desty’s (who applied it at ££££ rates albeit beautifully) as to the causes.
Interestingly my experience throughout my short season was the Boat stayed perfectly clean if used regularly but built a little slime if left standing. I think this is in line with others experience.
I tried to match the anti foul to as close to the waterline as possible in an attempt to let vanity rule my head, and have paid for this with a very thin line of marine beasties just above the cc. Fortunately they brush off easily (probably as a function of never being more than half in the water) and have not damaged my immaculate paint job !
By contrast my stainless trimax drives and props have come out looking like a 1970’s porn film....... essentially becoming heavily barnacled in as little as 3 weeks of lack of use....... this is good demonstration of the effectiveness of cc to me.
Otherwise jury is still out in term of cc vs antifoul. Let’s see what Desty’s says about the blisters.
I will try and add some pics but warn that I am not good at this ! 10DB5B6E-BFDD-4AC9-99AD-7AF6F1C7210F.jpeg10DB5B6E-BFDD-4AC9-99AD-7AF6F1C7210F.jpeg
 
An interesting difference is that in my boat CC turned into the typical greenish colour only above the w/l.
All the other surfaces which are constantly underwater, both along the hull sides and on the bottom, still look pretty much as before hitting the water.
Maybe just a tad darker, though even this difference could be just my impression.

LJS, did that possibly happen also to your boat during the first season, and did she turn green afterwards?

More worryingly there are a few bubbles in the paint
I didn't seen any on my hull, but of course an inspection with the boat in the water can hardly be as accurate as on the hard.
I'll carefully check that upon the next lift, but that's unlikely to happen before early Jan...

By contrast my stainless trimax drives and props have come out looking like a 1970’s porn film....... essentially becoming heavily barnacled in as little as 3 weeks of lack of use
I'm not sure I would call that transmission heavily barnacled.
I can see why you didn't expect that after the boat has been static for just 3 weeks, but for how long did she stay in the water overall?
 
An interesting difference is that in my boat CC turned into the typical greenish colour only above the w/l.
All the other surfaces which are constantly underwater, both along the hull sides and on the bottom, still look pretty much as before hitting the water.
Maybe just a tad darker, though even this difference could be just my impression.

LJS, did that possibly happen also to your boat during the first season, and did she turn green afterwards?


I didn't seen any on my hull, but of course an inspection with the boat in the water can hardly be as accurate as on the hard.
I'll carefully check that upon the next lift, but that's unlikely to happen before early Jan...


I'm not sure I would call that transmission heavily barnacled.
I can see why you didn't expect that after the boat has been static for just 3 weeks, but for how long did she stay in the water overall?

Yes, the change in colour was very gradual, over the course of a year or so.
 
MapisM, On my boat the cc looked a blackish red in the water....... I thought it hadnt properly turned green until the boat was lifted out and lo and behold. As it dried the green came shinin* through. I guess it’s to do with what cc looks like wet, and also why yours looks green above the waterline where it’s dry.

The bubbles in the paint are small and I haven’t seen them myself. I will get more pics from the yard tomorrow. I hope it’s not serious. It would be very disappointing to have to re apply that at this point !

Fair point re the barnacle growth....... it seems very bad to me because those babies are usually shiny stainless steel and the amount of growth you see in that photo is enough to take 8 to 10 knots off my top speed !!

Finally...... summer was short this year so she was only in the water from beginning of July until yesterday....... hardly long enough for serious fouling even if my area (bay of St Tropez) is bad if the boat is left static.
 
Aha, good to know about the CC colour change after lifting and drying the hull. Makes sense, bearing in mind the difference on my boat just above the w/l, also because that's more noticeable on the side more exposed to sunshine (hence drier).
I must remember to update this thread after lifting the boat, to confirm if also my hull will behave as yours did.

Ref. your barnacles, I would think that they are rather normal for non-antifouled sterngear, after more than 2 months in pretty warm water, including 3 weeks completely static. The drastic speed reduction is also to be expected, because the loss of thrust from fouled props increases exponentially with speed, and yours is a fast boat indeed! :encouragement:

Good luck for the troubleshooting with the bubbles.
I fully agree that it would be disappointing, if a complete reapplication would be necessary.
Also because I think that stripping the existing CC layer must be a nightmare...
 
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