CAUTION when buying from a broker

[Matelot Joe]

Jeez, but you are a miserable git. I had business dealings with Jonic long before I encountered him on the forum, he is a guy I respect and enjoy hearing from.
Who made you the arbiter of who posts here?

+1

 

[VADROUILLE]

Come down a nighclub with me and your see how miserable I am .
Who made you the arbiter of who posts here? No one ,I find it hilarious that surveyors and brokers are suppose to be professionals and they post on here under a bogus name trying to get business. How professional is that !

Jonic has a signature after every post. It directs you to his website and that tells you exactly who he is. Nothing bogus about that what so ever.

As stated by others, he has got many sea miles under his belt and his knowledge is vast.

 

[Matelot Joe]

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Based on what I have heard from you so far that would be one of the last things I might ever want to do.

This forum is made up of an extremely disparate group with varying levels of boating experience and knowledge; some (like jonic) have considerable offshore experience and also are working in the business every day, I, for one welcome their willingness to take time share their experience with me for free. It would be regrettable if a vocal minority (of two?) were to succeed in driving them away, their posts are valued by those of us who are able to understand the value of their input.

Thanks for saying what I am thinking. Due to all this post and the positive feed back, I will be contacting they guy myself with regards to a possible boat sale/purchase.
I can't for the life of me understand such nasty comments, the like that have been put on here, its just not necessary.

 

[Crabman]

Here you go again! You really do seem to have an unfathomable problem - you ought to see somebody about it.

BRA is a subset of BMF which includes boat dealers, boatbuilders, electronic manufacturers, chandlers and Uncle Tom Cobley and all. Does that make you feel better?

When you deal with a professional you deal with him as an individual, not with an organisation he belongs to. Some may be members of the Rotary, some may even be Freemasons or members of the local church choir.

It would be really helpful if you were specific about what your concerns are - otherwise it is pointless you responding to anything I post - particularly when as in this instance it is nothing to do with surveyors - which seems to be where you have the unknown problem.

Its called a forum ,its called having a debate on a forum ,do I have a problem, most probably in your eyes. Do I care what you say ,NO, do I care what people think ,do I ****.Do I have concerns ,NO,Is that clear enough for you . Are you a surveyor or broker!

 

[Crabman]

Jonic has a signature after every post. It directs you to his website and that tells you exactly who he is. Nothing bogus about that what so ever.

As stated by others, he has got many sea miles under his belt and his knowledge is vast.

What knowledge would that be ?

 

[Tranona]

Its called a forum ,its called having a debate on a forum ,do I have a problem, most probably in your eyes. Do I care what you say ,NO, do I care what people think ,do I ****.Do I have concerns ,NO,Is that clear enough for you . Are you a surveyor or broker!

I am neither surveyor, nor broker.

As to having a discussion in a forum, absolutely agree. Just that discussions require a subject and something about it to discuss.

You seem unable or unwilling to enter into any exchange, simply posting a single sentence - hardly justifies wasting your time.

So, what is your problem? Would you like to discuss it? Or do you prefer keeping oit to yourself?

 

[Crabman]

Bloody funny, I ask questions and you lot get upset, is it a yottie thing? You pays ya money and take your choice with brokers and surveyors .I use brokers ,some are rubbish ,some are good, I have used YBDSA surveyors one good, two bad , Brokers some good ,some bad . I now use a surveyor from RINA who is good. So calling me a sad git ,thats up to you ,thats strange if you have never met me, But thats what forums and yotties do , try and out do each other. I know more than yeow, no ya dont, yes I do, Bloody funny

 

[Crabman]

I am neither surveyor, nor broker.

As to having a discussion in a forum, absolutely agree. Just that discussions require a subject and something about it to discuss.

You seem unable or unwilling to enter into any exchange, simply posting a single sentence - hardly justifies wasting your time.

So, what is your problem? Would you like to discuss it? Or do you prefer keeping oit to yourself?

Why do I need to speak to you ? I forgot you are up your own arse.
Stop making me laugh ,please .

 

[Tranona]

Why do I need to speak to you ? I forgot you are up your own arse.
Stop making me laugh ,please .

Very touchy today are we not?

You don't need to speak to me - but you chose to and I am just asking you politely to explain yourself, but it seems that politeness is not your way of doing things.

You admit to a problem I offer to help you with it, if you can explain what it is, but your only problem seems to be rudeness and don't think I can help you with that.

 

[SailorBill]

I am neither surveyor, nor broker.

So which of the following is it?

Boatbuilder?

BMIF mouthpiece?

MCA mouthpiece?

RYA mouthpiece?

Maintainer of the status quo?

Otherwise connected with the marine industry in some way (please elaborate)?

You can choose more than one answer.

You seem to be reliably consistent in your support of the marine industry whenever someone starts a thread criticising it. So what is your current or past connection with the marine industry? Do tell.

 

[Quandary]

I suppose if we want the forum to be all encompassing we should be prepared to read the opinions of the occasional eedjit and include them in the debate by replying to them.
But there is no point in being hypocritical even if it does risk winding them up a bit when we are a bit forthright with them.

I had used a different noun but 'eedjit' is less offensive and the forum wordchecker allows it without asterisks.

 

[Tranona]

So which of the following is it?

Boatbuilder?

BMIF mouthpiece?

MCA mouthpiece?

RYA mouthpiece?

Maintainer of the status quo?

Otherwise connected with the marine industry in some way (please elaborate)?

You can choose more than one answer.

You seem to be reliably consistent in your support of the marine industry whenever someone starts a thread criticising it. So what is your current or past connection with the marine industry? Do tell.

Long retired. Just have a bit of an aversion to people who have an axe to grind, because when you push you usually (but not always) find that there are two sides to every story and the tendency is to always believe the one who gets their side in first. That invariably makes any explanantion of the "other" side look defensive.

You rarely see professionals complaining about the antics of their clients, because it is just part of their job to deal with it. However when a "customer" complains his story is almost always accepted without question - the customer is always right. Well, the customer is not always right and is often wrong. A good professional deals with him by making him feel he was right, but sometimes that does not work.

Not saying there are not causes for complaint - it happens in just about every type of business, just that not sure that all the criticism expressed here is deserved for the reasons above.

 

[SailorBill]

Long retired

Retired from doing what? Don't be coy. Please explain your connection or past connection to the marine industry.

Just have a bit of an aversion to people who have an axe to grind, because when you push you usually (but not always) find that there are two sides to every story and the tendency is to always believe the one who gets their side in first. That invariably makes any explanantion of the "other" side look defensive.

Really? I would say that puts you in the minority. Most reasonable, intelligent people are capable of reading both sides of the story before making their minds up, regardless of which side of the story they read first.

You rarely see professionals complaining about the antics of their clients, because it is just part of their job to deal with it. However when a "customer" complains his story is almost always accepted without question - the customer is always right. Well, the customer is not always right and is often wrong. A good professional deals with him by making him feel he was right, but sometimes that does not work.

Not saying there are not causes for complaint - it happens in just about every type of business, just that not sure that all the criticism expressed here is deserved for the reasons above.

I think there are lots of genuine causes for complaint. I have had experience of shoddy brokers (buying and selling) and I can tell you that my experiences leave me with a strong feeling that the brokerage business is in dire need of some form of regulation (and I don't mean anything voluntary). An example: blatantly lying about the condition of a boat and not caring two hoots about my travel costs or time to view what turned out to be a wreck of a boat. Another example: almost non existent communication and a downright rude attitude when chasing for the balance of a sale on a boat sold and handed over two weeks prior. So please, don't talk to me about "the customer is not always right and is often wrong". Get your (the brokers) own house in order before criticising the customers (if you really must bite the hands that feed you).

 

[jordanbasset]

Reading this thread I would add that I would much prefer to do business with a broker who has a good reputation on here than some one who has to buy expensive advertising to sell themselves. For me this forum is going back to the word of mouth days and I far prefer a recommendation than to trust the blurb of any one selling anything. It is apparent that Jonic has a good reputation and does make useful contributions.
There must be some rogue brokers out there I suppose but this forum is a very useful resource to weed them out.

 

[VADROUILLE]

Reading this thread I would add that I would much prefer to do business with a broker who has a good reputation on here than some one who has to buy expensive advertising to sell themselves. For me this forum is going back to the word of mouth days and I far prefer a recommendation than to trust the blurb of any one selling anything. It is apparent that Jonic had a good reputation and does make useful contributions.
There must be some rogue brokers out there I suppose but this forum is a very useful resource to weed them out.

+1, but in all honesty, he still has got a good reputation!

 

[jordanbasset]

+1, but in all honesty, he still has got a good reputation!

Oops, corrected

 

[rotrax]

Once again I agree with Tranona in much of what he said in his last post, as well as a bit of what SailorBill said in his. If it were only as simple as black and white! We were in the Classic and Vintage motorcycle business for many years. We often had valuable and unique bikes for sale,both our own property and on 'sale or return'-a form of brokerage. First Mate and I were always scrupulous about describing them in our advertisments as prospective punters would travel from the four corners of the world to look at and sometimes buy our stock. We had had so many wasted journeys to look at piles of **** over the years when we were buying we did not wish to inflict the same on our customers. In thirty plus years we had one unreasonable customer who we could not satisfy, despite telling him in writing we would repair his bike at no cost should he return it. He declined, took it to the most expensive restorer in the UK, got a huge bill and expected us to meet it When we refused he did the small claims court and lost, on a reserved written judgement. I still have it somewhere. It concludes by saying that we gave every opertunity to him to have it fixed at no cost, acted within the Sale of Goods and Services act and used integrity in our dealings with him prior to the court case. Perhaps that is the vital ingredient Brokers need on their CV'S-Integrity. SOME HAVE IT SOME DONT. No amount of legislation can give this unique commodity, it comes from the heart or through proffessional training in the right enviroment. I like to think that First Mate and I had it inside us, as we could ALWAYS sleep at night. I also worked in the retail motorcycle trade for two dealers who had it, the late Arthur Wheeler of Epsom and the Hartwells/Hartford Motors group in the seventies. In our modest classic bike business we became friends with our customers-it was like a club on a sunny Saturday. After retiring from the shop eight years ago the thing we miss is the interaction with our customers and the social contact we had with them on a regular basis. Happy days................

 

[SailorBill]

Retired from doing what? Don't be coy. Please explain your connection or past connection to the marine industry.

...Still waiting for a response from Tranona.

 

[Quandary]

...Still waiting for a response from Tranona.

Why? Perhaps he thinks you should just mind your own business, perhaps he considers your question to have no relevance to the subject, perhaps he has been busy giving useful advice on other threads or perhaps he has just decided not to waste his time.

 

[SailorBill]

Why? Perhaps he thinks you should just mind your own business, perhaps he considers your question to have no relevance to the subject, perhaps he has been busy giving useful advice on other threads or perhaps he has just decided not to waste his time.

I think it would be entirely relevant to this thread for Tranona to state his previous and/or current connection to the marine industry. Then people can view his comments in context and perhaps in the knowledge that his posts are biased.