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[PaulRainbow]

Have you been a car restorer, contractor and retailer for the last 45 years?

I have been in business since 1979, never had to take anyone to the small claims court.

 

[PaulRainbow]

I can't argue with a word of that, it all hinges on getting the judge onside to prefer your evidence.

First thing you will need to do is to answer the question in post #73

 

[Irish Rover]

Most people do go through life without ever setting foot in court so to have been there a dozen times does suggest you aren’t very good at out of court resolution or doing business in a way that avoids the dispute in the first place!

There’s a famous quote the “the lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client” - it’s certainly possible to represent yourself but it’s not necessarily the quick way to an easy resolution. Nobody likes lawyers but they can actually save you a lot of stress and time.

I doubt most people in that situation have gone to court so often.

No it works on the Balance of Probabilities - it’s a dangerous assumption that this means the side with the most evidence wins.

You missed out a critical part - and for the law to support that there is a liability. Small claim cases are often not about believing all of one persons evidence and disbelieving all of the other persons.

All the judge had to do was prefer his story (in your words). Some people, even with paperwork to back up their story can’t present a convincing case - this may well be one of those cases. Past success is not a good indicator of future success - indeed it might make you overly confident about how strong your argument, or persuasive skills are. Nobody on this thread is the judge in your case, but without even hearing from the other side everyone seems to be doubting if you have the basis of a case.

£24k is peanuts to a bank - they probably used a trainee solicitor on it as a learning exercise. £5k could be loads to the seller and he may have insurance which can cover legal representation - who’s going to fight harder then?

Your sole intention on this thread, as on others, seems to be to prove you know more than others - the OP in this instance. Maybe you do, although it is truly amazing how many subjects you post authoritively on. He says he doesn't need any advice in relation to making a claim. Take him at his word, and if you can help or advise in relation to the one area where he asked for advice, then do so.

 

[dunedin]

There does seem to be no financial case here, “just a rant in a teacup”

In post #4 said had spent £10k on upgrades and costs £30k all in, but boat wouldn’t sell for more than £15k.
Now says broker putting on at £25k, so much more than £15k.

And almost all the updates listed in the advert are the sort of things somebody might do for their own benefit if keeping a boat for 10 years. But never going to get back the expenditure in increased value if instead sell within a year. Always a big loss if sell early after splashing money.

 

[Purple Velvet]

Maybe you do, although it is truly amazing how many subjects you post authoritively on.

I have experience in many things, generally because I have become frustrated at trying to get someone else to do a job for me and so I have been forced to learn how to do it myself. Over my nearly 70 years, I have had to do a lot of it and enjoy helping others with that experience and knowledge where I can. If I don't have personal experience of something, then I will remain silent, as evidenced by my lack of input on most purely boating matters. For those I can help, I will and here are a few of my experiences, both current and rusty...

Car restoration, including all aspects such as welding, mechanical overhaul, fabrication, spraying and upholstery. Evidence available here: Facebook

Electronics, including RF and digital design and manufacture. Evidence is sparse since my website closed, but here is one of my products: Pardon our interruption... , Networking and related activities. I am currently working on a range of hobby products and a conversion module for the boat fuel sender to match the Honda fuel gauge. Thousands of photos can be provided to doubting Thomases.

Motorcycle overhaul and renovation, specifically the BMW K1200LT.

Fibreglass repair and manufacture, part of the car restoration specialising in Reliant.

House renovation, including a house renovation in Brittany, so a little bricklaying, lime plastering, plumbing, mains distribution, kitchens, bathrooms, working to NF etc.

Satellite TV, Aerial installation and associated activities. That was my retail career as AJL Electronics (G6FGO) I was in at the beginnng, when the only satellite channel was one from Russia on C band. I was a Sky dealer for many years too.

Prison education... I did ten years teaching inmates IT in four different establishments local to me.

I am or at least WAS a qualified private pilot with 150 hours on single engine Pipers up to the complex singles. Briefly I flew a Seneca III twin but that was just one flight. Log book stops at 1995.

Matters to do with CIVIL actions in the County Court, as previously discussed. I would not want to go into battle now without some brushing up though.

So, I think that I am qualified to help and advise on all of those matters, plus others I haven't listed.

 

[PaulRainbow]

I have experience in many things, generally because I have become frustrated at trying to get someone else to do a job for me and so I have been forced to learn how to do it myself. Over my nearly 70 years, I have had to do a lot of it and enjoy helping others with that experience and knowledge where I can. If I don't have personal experience of something, then I will remain silent, as evidenced by my lack of input on most purely boating matters. For those I can help, I will and here are a few of my experiences, both current and rusty...

Car restoration, including all aspects such as welding, mechanical overhaul, fabrication, spraying and upholstery. Evidence available here: Facebook

Electronics, including RF and digital design and manufacture. Evidence is sparse since my website closed, but here is one of my products: Pardon our interruption... , Networking and related activities. I am currently working on a range of hobby products and a conversion module for the boat fuel sender to match the Honda fuel gauge. Thousands of photos can be provided to doubting Thomases.

Motorcycle overhaul and renovation, specifically the BMW K1200LT.

Fibreglass repair and manufacture, part of the car restoration specialising in Reliant.

House renovation, including a house renovation in Brittany, so a little bricklaying, lime plastering, plumbing, mains distribution, kitchens, bathrooms, working to NF etc.

Satellite TV, Aerial installation and associated activities. That was my retail career as AJL Electronics (G6FGO) I was in at the beginnng, when the only satellite channel was one from Russia on C band. I was a Sky dealer for many years too.

Prison education... I did ten years teaching inmates IT in four different establishments local to me.

I am or at least WAS a qualified private pilot with 150 hours on single engine Pipers up to the complex singles. Briefly I flew a Seneca III twin but that was just one flight. Log book stops at 1995.

Matters to do with CIVIL actions in the County Court, as previously discussed. I would not want to go into battle now without some brushing up though.

So, I think that I am qualified to help and advise on all of those matters, plus others I haven't listed.

Nor so good at forum posts though, Irish Rover was not replying to you

And still no reply to post #73

 

[Purple Velvet]

Nor so good at forum posts though, Irish Rover was not replying to you

Whoops! Guilty as charged.

I will look at #73 when next on, I am busy building one of the modules currently for a customer.

 

[ylop]

Your sole intention on this thread, as on others, seems to be to prove you know more than others - the OP in this instance.

No, but its a discussion forum - you may not like that the discussion isn't always directed by you but if people are talking nonsense (or even if there is just a very different view) its worth pointing out because others will come across this thread through google (or AI processing it) and won't know which bits are reliable and which are fantasy land.

Maybe you do, although it is truly amazing how many subjects you post authoritively on.

Do you have some sort of inferiority complex because you keep popping up telling me that nobody can know as much as I do!

He says he doesn't need any advice in relation to making a claim. Take him at his word,

Clearly, he doesn't know as much as he thinks though, as he has invented a new legal test of preponderance of evidence.

and if you can help or advise in relation to the one area where he asked for advice, then do so.

I did. It maybe wasn't the answer he wanted though!

 

[Irish Rover]

No, but its a discussion forum - you may not like that the discussion isn't always directed by you but if people are talking nonsense (or even if there is just a very different view) its worth pointing out because others will come across this thread through google (or AI processing it) and won't know which bits are reliable and which are fantasy land.

Do you have some sort of inferiority complex because you keep popping up telling me that nobody can know as much as I do!

Clearly, he doesn't know as much as he thinks though, as he has invented a new legal test of preponderance of evidence.

I did. It maybe wasn't the answer he wanted though!

 

[potentillaCO32]

I have been in business since 1979, never had to take anyone to the small claims court.

In fact quite the opposite. Many happy customers whom you have helped.

 

[potentillaCO32]

So, I think that I am qualified to help and advise on all of those matters, plus others I haven't listed.

That degree of self confidence seems to be at the root of the decision not to employ a surveyor then get banjaxed by a simple question on how old my boat is and what faults does it have.

 

[Tranona]

I have experience in many things, generally because I have become frustrated at trying to get someone else to do a job for me and so I have been forced to learn how to do it myself. Over my nearly 70 years, I have had to do a lot of it and enjoy helping others with that experience and knowledge where I can. If I don't have personal experience of something, then I will remain silent, as evidenced by my lack of input on most purely boating matters. For those I can help, I will and here are a few of my experiences, both current and rusty...

Car restoration, including all aspects such as welding, mechanical overhaul, fabrication, spraying and upholstery. Evidence available here: Facebook

Electronics, including RF and digital design and manufacture. Evidence is sparse since my website closed, but here is one of my products: Pardon our interruption... , Networking and related activities. I am currently working on a range of hobby products and a conversion module for the boat fuel sender to match the Honda fuel gauge. Thousands of photos can be provided to doubting Thomases.

Motorcycle overhaul and renovation, specifically the BMW K1200LT.

Fibreglass repair and manufacture, part of the car restoration specialising in Reliant.

House renovation, including a house renovation in Brittany, so a little bricklaying, lime plastering, plumbing, mains distribution, kitchens, bathrooms, working to NF etc.

Satellite TV, Aerial installation and associated activities. That was my retail career as AJL Electronics (G6FGO) I was in at the beginnng, when the only satellite channel was one from Russia on C band. I was a Sky dealer for many years too.

Prison education... I did ten years teaching inmates IT in four different establishments local to me.

I am or at least WAS a qualified private pilot with 150 hours on single engine Pipers up to the complex singles. Briefly I flew a Seneca III twin but that was just one flight. Log book stops at 1995.

Matters to do with CIVIL actions in the County Court, as previously discussed. I would not want to go into battle now without some brushing up though.

So, I think that I am qualified to help and advise on all of those matters, plus others I haven't listed.

Despite all that you do not seem to have a clue about buying and owning a boat. You seem to have broken all the commonsense rules of checking provenance and title and using a standard written contract. If you have followed the correct process - which a £10 ebook from the RYA will guide you through, you would have quickly discovered the boat is not a 2000 build. The boat would have a clear permanent mark on the hull - you can't miss it, especially as you claim to be a GRP expert and inspected the boat closely. The builder still seems to be in business building the same model boat - did you talk to them?

As for "brushing up" before going to court - this has been done for you on this thread by people who have much more experience in these matters. Based on the information you have given you do not have a case. Repeating myself but you came here for advice and you have got it - consistently. You don't seem to like it but there seems to be little point in you telling your life story that has no relevance to the issue. Your position as you describe it is the sort of scenario that might be set for an exam question in Law of Contract for first year undergraduates - in other words very basic law. The model answer would be you don't have a case as it stands and if the second part of the question was to advise what you might need to make a case the answer would include many of the observations in this thread.

 

[Buck Turgidson]

150 hours!
I'll get my coat.

 

[ashtead]

One of the things you learn in participating on this forum is which forumites have some experience based on age and practice to impart and those who fly kites for provocation. Clearly it’s your money/time and it might be you enjoy the small claims court process so gain some reward from the process as opposed to result(many litigants in person want their day in court so it’s not an unusual wish) but based on the comments and the learning of the forumites I feel this claim is ill founded but if you can gain some form of expert view to support your contention in that the year is material then perhaps you can share thoughts once the expert has opinined. I am sure that with your experience you don’t need to be warned that experts can become wobbly as any trial date approaches . Personally I think based on what has been disclosed the claim is speculative but I await your experts views with interest.

 

[PaulRainbow]

Still no answer to #73, the most basic questions that would need to be answered in court.

 

[steve yates]

I’ve been self employed for almost 35 years with various businesses and only ever taken someone to small claims court once, for an outstanding £7k bill so pretty simple case.
If you have resorted to litigation a dozen or more times as you claim then there is something wrong with the either the way you trade or the way you live your life. And considering the health challenge facing you and the wilful disregard of the weight of advice given on this thread, I think it would be blind foolishness on your part if you carry on with this to court.

 

[Tranona]

Still no answer to #73, the most basic questions that would need to be answered in court.

He has been asked this several times - first in post#7. If it is a 1992 boat it may not actually have a HIN as that only became compulsory in 1997