Buckingham 20 restoration, formerly Plant Pot

[waynes world]

Wayne

Is the external work to the Hull all finished now

Dennis

Hi there Dennis

Afraid not, it hasnt been the weather still to get any done, however i have ...i think.....decide to repair the damaged/dodgy areas with epoxy filler instead of a full over sheath of the hull.

As soon as i can the exterior work will be started so then once it is all done i will be launching it and the rest of the work on the interior can be done as we weekend away on it, if i get time now as with the new `boat handy man` venture is getting work in. Not bad thing at all hey

Wayne

 

[Bigplumbs]

Well done on the new venture. I must however comment (and I am sure others on here will agree) that your phrase 'Boat Handy Man' in no way does you Justice. You are far more than that. The work I have seen you do one here quite frankly is second to none.

Dennis

 

[sarabande]

Happy New Year, SuperChippy

I do hope you are getting as much pleasure from progress with your boat, as we are watching a master at work.


Quick thought. What's ventilation like in that compartment for the battery charger ? Shoving 30A into the 2 batteries, it will be generating nearly 400W, so that's quite warm. Also ventilation for the batteries themselves...

 

[longjohnsilver]

I do hope you are getting as much pleasure from progress with your boat, as we are watching a master at work.

I'm in awe at some of the skills displayed by Wayne. Absolutely superb work. I wonder if he's any further on with his thoughts of doing paid work?

 

[waynes world]

Well done on the new venture. I must however comment (and I am sure others on here will agree) that your phrase 'Boat Handy Man' in no way does you Justice. You are far more than that. The work I have seen you do one here quite frankly is second to none.

Dennis

Thanks again Dennis for the kind words

Now as you mention not being a `boat handy man` me and T have been trying to think of a business name as the insurance keep asking what i will be trading under.

We have not got a clue what to trade under/business name.

Any ideas?

Happy New Year, SuperChippy

I do hope you are getting as much pleasure from progress with your boat, as we are watching a master at work.


Quick thought. What's ventilation like in that compartment for the battery charger ? Shoving 30A into the 2 batteries, it will be generating nearly 400W, so that's quite warm. Also ventilation for the batteries themselves...

Well happy new years to you also

And yes i am still enjoying doing it, just wish i could get more done and get it launched. Not long off though as when the weather bucks up the exterior will be done and then ready for launch then no time to use it with the new venture lol.


There is good ventilation, well i think so, the top of the charger has a clearance of 20mm from the top of it. At the ends it is fully open and cool air will be from the bilge as that is open along the back edge of the floor around 40mm.

I have some of the vents i fitted to the seats bases that i am thinking on fitting either in the tread of the cabin step or one each top corner of the lower riser.

The batteries are sealed type and under the rear deck out the way which will have a few more vents fitted once it is painted.. That is point i over looked on the BSS guide, i have LPG pipes running along the top of the lower rear bulkhead ( under the rear deck ) and also batteries and wiring and Whale pump. The copper LPG lines need to be in gas tight conduit which i missed when i read the guide. I read it so many times i m surprised i missed that bit. I have the conduit and just need to cut the LPG lines just before the enter through the deck and slide the conduit over it and seal the ends before i connect the cut LPG lines with straight connectors i have ready. Just another small job to do so no big deal.

I'm in awe at some of the skills displayed by Wayne. Absolutely superb work. I wonder if he's any further on with his thoughts of doing paid work?

Thanks

And yes i am on with the new venture, i have a few jobs coming in soon, one boat needs a new galley work top fitting and electrics just tidying up and a set of four strakes replacing.
A chap that is to far away for my/our worthwhile me traveling to him is bringing it to me as nobody will do the job for him, either the fitters in the yard or any local companies, that is to fix his top screen frame that was hit on a bridge and snapped the inner frame brackets. And replace the front screen.
Another chap want a set of GRP steps making to get easier access to his boat.

And a few more i need to price up, one i hope i get as it is helping to restore an old classic GRP boat that is not all that far from me.

So plenty to go at for now

 

[longjohnsilver]

Thanks again Dennis for the kind words

Now as you mention not being a `boat handy man` me and T have been trying to think of a business name as the insurance keep asking what i will be trading under.

We have not got a clue what to trade under/business name.

Any ideas?





Well happy new years to you also

And yes i am still enjoying doing it, just wish i could get more done and get it launched. Not long off though as when the weather bucks up the exterior will be done and then ready for launch then no time to use it with the new venture lol.


There is good ventilation, well i think so, the top of the charger has a clearance of 20mm from the top of it. At the ends it is fully open and cool air will be from the bilge as that is open along the back edge of the floor around 40mm.

I have some of the vents i fitted to the seats bases that i am thinking on fitting either in the tread of the cabin step or one each top corner of the lower riser.

The batteries are sealed type and under the rear deck out the way which will have a few more vents fitted once it is painted.. That is point i over looked on the BSS guide, i have LPG pipes running along the top of the lower rear bulkhead ( under the rear deck ) and also batteries and wiring and Whale pump. The copper LPG lines need to be in gas tight conduit which i missed when i read the guide. I read it so many times i m surprised i missed that bit. I have the conduit and just need to cut the LPG lines just before the enter through the deck and slide the conduit over it and seal the ends before i connect the cut LPG lines with straight connectors i have ready. Just another small job to do so no big deal.




Thanks

And yes i am on with the new venture, i have a few jobs coming in soon, one boat needs a new galley work top fitting and electrics just tidying up and a set of four strakes replacing.
A chap that is to far away for my/our worthwhile me traveling to him is bringing it to me as nobody will do the job for him, either the fitters in the yard or any local companies, that is to fix his top screen frame that was hit on a bridge and snapped the inner frame brackets. And replace the front screen.
Another chap want a set of GRP steps making to get easier access to his boat.

And a few more i need to price up, one i hope i get as it is helping to restore an old classic GRP boat that is not all that far from me.

So plenty to go at for now

That's good news.

Can I ask what you're estimating your hourly rate to be? As for a trading name, how about boat magic(Ian)? Whatever you decide it should be short and snappy and describe what you do in as few a words as possible. A website with lots of pics (which you already have) is virtually essential in this day and age. You could put in a link to this thread to demonstrate what you are capable of.

 

[waynes world]

That's good news.

Can I ask what you're estimating your hourly rate to be? As for a trading name, how about boat magic(Ian)? Whatever you decide it should be short and snappy and describe what you do in as few a words as possible. A website with lots of pics (which you already have) is virtually essential in this day and age. You could put in a link to this thread to demonstrate what you are capable of.

I am charging £18ph, now though after all my working out it is not enough to cover all the extras. i think i need to up it to closer to £25ph, there are so many cost i didnt really take into account for each job a sin fuel, some travel hours, its not easy to me to work out yet but i guess it will soon get easier as i get the jist of it all. I have to admit i have under priced myself on the first two jobs but not at a loss. Still if they are happy customers i will be asking for them to send an email with there feed back for my website/facebook page, need to work that out yet, not to up on Tech/PC stuff.

This blog is what has got me the work so i will be using it as a type of job reference.

Lots to learn but then just starting out and all new to me, and exciting.

 

[longjohnsilver]

I am charging £18ph, now though after all my working out it is not enough to cover all the extras. i think i need to up it to closer to £25ph, there are so many cost i didnt really take into account for each job a sin fuel, some travel hours, its not easy to me to work out yet but i guess it will soon get easier as i get the jist of it all. I have to admit i have under priced myself on the first two jobs but not at a loss. Still if they are happy customers i will be asking for them to send an email with there feed back for my website/facebook page, need to work that out yet, not to up on Tech/PC stuff.

This blog is what has got me the work so i will be using it as a type of job reference.

Lots to learn but then just starting out and all new to me, and exciting.

My gardener charges £15ph and that's just to cut the grass and do some weeding. Even £25 works out to be £875 per week for 35 hours or, allowing for holidays, public holidays etc, etc less than £40K per year. And then you've got the cost of tools, transport, NI, tax, pension provision, sickness cover, insurance. It will all mount up, leaving you with probably not much more than £20k. You need to do a few more sums and then decide what you need to live comfortably on.

 

[Bouba]

My gardener charges £15ph and that's just to cut the grass and do some weeding. Even £25 works out to be £875 per week for 35 hours or, allowing for holidays, public holidays etc, etc less than £40K per year. And then you've got the cost of tools, transport, NI, tax, pension provision, sickness cover, insurance. It will all mount up, leaving you with probably not much more than £20k. You need to do a few more sums and then decide what you need to live comfortably on.

I agree Wayne, you will struggle to hire an assistant on what you are charging. It’s possible that a lot of your time could go in just driving around giving quotes. Never undervalue yourself, and another thing, when you do put up your prices your regular customers will resent it, so it’s best they pay more earlier.

 

[Scolly]

Wayne
Suggest you pm Volvopaul of this parish who no doubt be VERY helpful

 

[sarabande]

Business names ?

Ship shape and Bristol Fashion
Bosun's Mate
Boatfix
Eight Bells
Crow's Nest Carpentry
Plane Sailing
Block and Tackle
Bright Work
Heart and Sole

 

[MrB]

Business names ?

Ship shape and Bristol Fashion
Bosun's Mate
Boatfix
Eight Bells
Crow's Nest Carpentry
Plane Sailing
Block and Tackle
Bright Work
Heart and Sole

I like Boatfix, to the point and easy to market.
:encouragement:

 

[waynes world]

Business names ?

Ship shape and Bristol Fashion
Bosun's Mate
Boatfix
Eight Bells
Crow's Nest Carpentry
Plane Sailing
Block and Tackle
Bright Work
Heart and Sole

Mmmm yes `BoatFix` isnt bad as typed.......or `Boatfix`


Today i came up with `Boat Fettler` but the defination isnt as i know it as in maintaining things/fixing it etc or doing well.

A Fettler is to do with railway workers mainly.

Hey i got a work vehicle today will pick it up in a few weeks as it is at my Brothers house for now when he collects this weekend Its on old but very tidy car just right for putting my gear in the back.

 

[maverickofpoole]

Wayne I have really enjoyed reading your blog on Plant Pot and would like to wish you good luck with your new venture, I hope it all works out well for you as I feel you deserve it to work

 

[vas]

plane boatfix?
gives a carpentry edge to boat fixing, no?
(sorry sarabande )

so, W, you keep the day job AND do that boatfix business as well on top, AND believe you're ever going to finish plant pot?
BTW, got a name for plant pot yet?

Seems it's baptism week here in the forum, might as well do the lot

V.

 

[waynes world]

Wayne I have really enjoyed reading your blog on Plant Pot and would like to wish you good luck with your new venture, I hope it all works out well for you as I feel you deserve it to work

Thank you, i certainly hope it works out to, if not at least i have given it a go, and dont mean to sound negative

plane boatfix?
gives a carpentry edge to boat fixing, no?
(sorry sarabande )

so, W, you keep the day job AND do that boatfix business as well on top, AND believe you're ever going to finish plant pot?
BTW, got a name for plant pot yet?

Seems it's baptism week here in the forum, might as well do the lot

V.

Hey V, i like to keep busy By time the business has kicked of `Faffer` ( the plant pots name ) will be afloat. Just need good weather to finish the outside. I do a hour here and there after work monday to friday on Faffer and then weekends are free for either the business or Faffer.

I have done it before on my last job but with cars and trailers an di miss it keeping busy on the long summer days/nights


Now when i have time i will pop over to see what you have been up to lol

 

[sogood]

Hey Wayne. Good to see you're still alive and kicking. Best of luck with your new venture. Been there and done that. It certainly has it's moments and better to be able to say "Oh well" rather than "What if?" Suggested name, "About The Boat" It kind of sound better than it looks, but still describes in written form what its all about.

Still looking forward to seeing your splash. Mine is being hampered by a water ingress into the fuel tank, which I'm dealing with at the moment.

Regarding the costings on your future work, always remember that everything costs more in time and money when you're doing it for yourself, so don't think it will be any different when doing it for others. There is always the temptation to be competitive, at the expense of being profitable. And profit is the bottom line, no matter how much you actually enjoy what you're doing. Don't be afraid to be realistic. Do your finances/time/materials etc, work out your final cost and add about 10% - 15%. This might make little difference to a prospective customer but could make all the difference to you and it gives you a little wriggle room in the event of any haggling. Maybe the customer feels that he is getting a better deal, but you are still up on your original costing.

Anyway, all the best and keep us posted.

 

[waynes world]

Always alive and kicking in one way or another. I have been busy with work ( employed ) mainly being stuck in the traffic with the weather over here in the last week. Also doing a few jobs that have come in for `waynes boat work` venture, that is the name now.

I have sorted some business cards which i was going to post up a sample that i have gone with but i think its against rules as it will be classed as advertising on here.

I am looking forward to picking my car up that i got a week or so ago to fit out and sign write. Its an old one but in fair nick and ready to go.

Here it is when my brother picked it up for me and took it to his house for now as i am out of room now until i sell my Mitsubishi FTO

Citroen Berlingo Multispace 1.9D, chose this as a good cheap car to run and at £450 cant grumble. I will get a full on test when i pick it up as its a 130 mile drive home.

Lets see now on Faffer, what has been done. To start off i had ago at my own mosaic tiles from the off cuts of Sapele veneer, this didnt go to plan due to so many folk passing by and talking and my blood sugars dropped so i stopped for 20 mins like i do. The glue i was using was setting so it all went a little wonky as i was rushing before i stopped.

Spot the mistake

That has been binned now and i have been cutting up the rest of the Iroko into 50mm tiles 5mm thick. At least this way i can sand it back smooth and treat. This is for the top of the cool box cupboard and also the cabin table. Thought it mite look good so lets hope so.


Lest go back in time now on a job i started about a year ago

That blinking Houdini hatch, some mite remember i rebuilt it as this was the third Houdini i have had that has leaked around the usual areas for these hatches, the glass seal perishes. I have used Creeping Crack which did work for a short time, a very short time and in the end i didnt any leaks at all

Not wanting to splash out around £280 on a new Houdini or other hatchs yet

Here is what i started to do and near finished off now.

I used the lower Houdini frame and made my own top. 8mm thick plastic, cant remember which type now, either Acrylic or perspex or the other type.

I used a bottle of water with a small hole drilled into the side a few inch`s above the job to trickle water over the cutting line to help the cut which works a treat to keep the cutting line clear and aid the smoother cut for clogging, which is easy done with out the correct blade which i didnt have.

Once all cut to size i got on with the hinges. I had to rebate for the screw heads to sit in the plastic as it will be touching the lower frame which is not good.

These are the knuckles i made to raise the hinge center by 5.5mm.

Like i do i used the original locking handles off the Houdini. Here i have made thick spacers from Iroko, i cam make all one sat a later date if need be these should be fine though, the original ones sat to low. Here we have M5x10 Interscrews and SS M5 coutersunk screws.

These are the outer plate made from 25mm x 3mm aluminium, backed with 2mm Neoprene to help keep water out. Once all finished there will be Sikaflex 291i used in the thread and around the Interscrews.

All done but for the edge trim which i need to make a jig to form 12mmx12mmx2mm aluminium channel around. I have a spare sheet of 8mm plastic which i will be using to do this. Then once that is made and fitted i will decide on which profile seal to use.

How can i forget but it will also be cleaned back, MMmmm polished maybe like the window frames are.

I am tempted to fit the bars across the screen as the Houdini have, still not decided on that, still an easy and quick job to do if i decide to later.



Now as it is spring time......not that you would think so, i am looking forward in the next month or so to get stuck into the hull and get t repaired. I am going to repair with epoxy filler instead of a full hull over sheath. From research epoxy filling will be as good as an over sheath with poly resin.


All best folks

Wayne

 

[Moderator]

Excellent car for the job. I have one with 140K miles on it. Same colour

Wayne, I am not too too sure about the new plastic on that hatch. Perspex and acrylic are in a different league from Lexan, which is a polycarbonate.

Scratches on ordinary plastic are precursors to crack failure, and perspex is not a good security bet. I'd put some bars on top so that you or Mrs can tread on the hatch and not go crashing through it. Also anti theft bars underneath.

Sorry to be gloomy on such a neat job.

 

[waynes world]

Excellent car for the job. I have one with 140K miles on it. Same colour

Wayne, I am not too too sure about the new plastic on that hatch. Perspex and acrylic are in a different league from Lexan, which is a polycarbonate.

Scratches on ordinary plastic are precursors to crack failure, and perspex is not a good security bet. I'd put some bars on top so that you or Mrs can tread on the hatch and not go crashing through it. Also anti theft bars underneath.

Sorry to be gloomy on such a neat job.

Oh yes the cabin lining material arrived the other day, well chuffed with it. @JFM your message bucket is full.

Not being gloomy, just pointing out what needs to be done. Good to hear point from other folks and ideas.

I wasnt expecting it to work out so i had ago with this as it was only a fiver, i think, a si am sure i got two 500500 sheets for a tenner . Lexan is a lot dearer so while i was trying an idea i didnt want to blow to much money if it failed. I can easy make a new one from Lexan, even see if it could be made from glass. Cost would be a lot but better than any plastic IMO.