rafiki_
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Nice work. The cleats will look very nice too. Love the improvisation with the pen, great job!
Nice work. The cleats will look very nice too. Love the improvisation with the pen, great job!
Buckingham 20 restoration, formerly Plant Pot
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AIDY
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Nice work.. loving this thread.... with this progress you're be cooking and eating Xmas diner aboard.
Nice work.. loving this thread.... with this progress you're be cooking and eating Xmas diner aboard.
waynes world
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Hi Sara, i spotted the question about the foam i have used before you deleted it lol, got a thingy on phone to tell me about replies., and no worries it is closed cell Soudal gun foam, good stuff for the job, I meant by a few holes that 6 inch apart or so, a goo squirt but not to much and also as there will be gaps around the edges it will not push out the ply lining. also leaving some hole open will prevent over expansion.
Hi Sara, i spotted the question about the foam i have used before you deleted it lol, got a thingy on phone to tell me about replies., and no worries it is closed cell Soudal gun foam, good stuff for the job, I meant by a few holes that 6 inch apart or so, a goo squirt but not to much and also as there will be gaps around the edges it will not push out the ply lining. also leaving some hole open will prevent over expansion.
jfm
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Great stuff wayne - thanks for the updates.
Don't worry at all about not using my cleats - I was just mailing you leftovers and I realised they were on the small side. No problem at all; just give them away to someone else or ebay them :encouragement:
I am slightly worried about the weight you're adding. Sheets of plywood etc soon add up. Fat cleats, backing pads, GRP over the pad, etc all provide great strength, but perhaps more than you need and 20kg that you don't need. It all adds up!
Great stuff wayne - thanks for the updates.
Don't worry at all about not using my cleats - I was just mailing you leftovers and I realised they were on the small side. No problem at all; just give them away to someone else or ebay them :encouragement:
I am slightly worried about the weight you're adding. Sheets of plywood etc soon add up. Fat cleats, backing pads, GRP over the pad, etc all provide great strength, but perhaps more than you need and 20kg that you don't need. It all adds up!
waynes world
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Your a gent, some folk may well take funnies over it after going out there way to do a good dead. Sad the T i will post them back if you needed them. They will stay here and not be rid of as they can come in handy for the tender boat for this boat
Big thanls again for the gifts
On the weight issue you mention, from a few owners i spoke to about these boats, they found it handle and go under power better with around 250kg of ballast. I have cut out a darn lot and replaced with the same plus 3 sheets of 18mm ply which in at less than 30kg. Plus the lining ply which is three 6mm and two 4mm ply.
I understand what you are saying, i am going of what other owners have said they have done with there boats, just hope it works out ok though. I have a workings out here to weight the boat with bathroom scales and for some time i have been tempted to weigh it. I could do to ease our minds.
Your a gent, some folk may well take funnies over it after going out there way to do a good dead. Sad the T i will post them back if you needed them. They will stay here and not be rid of as they can come in handy for the tender boat for this boat
Big thanls again for the gifts On the weight issue you mention, from a few owners i spoke to about these boats, they found it handle and go under power better with around 250kg of ballast. I have cut out a darn lot and replaced with the same plus 3 sheets of 18mm ply which in at less than 30kg. Plus the lining ply which is three 6mm and two 4mm ply.
I understand what you are saying, i am going of what other owners have said they have done with there boats, just hope it works out ok though. I have a workings out here to weight the boat with bathroom scales and for some time i have been tempted to weigh it. I could do to ease our minds.
vas
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W.,
nice progress indeed, keep the good work!
on the weight issue, I once tried to calculate how much I ripped off and how much I added, failed miserably, but at one point I just calculated all the litres of epoxy I've bought and was quite shocked at the weight! Don't remember now, but was over 100lt.
My concern would be on WHERE you add most of the weight and it seems that it's not low enough to count as ballast...
I guess if you feel it is too wobbly (lacking a better term for that) you can always add some real ballast in the bilges. Hope the outlets above w/l are high enough and don't end up below w/l.
looking fwd to the next installment!
cheers
V.
W.,
nice progress indeed, keep the good work!
on the weight issue, I once tried to calculate how much I ripped off and how much I added, failed miserably, but at one point I just calculated all the litres of epoxy I've bought and was quite shocked at the weight! Don't remember now, but was over 100lt.
My concern would be on WHERE you add most of the weight and it seems that it's not low enough to count as ballast...
I guess if you feel it is too wobbly (lacking a better term for that) you can always add some real ballast in the bilges. Hope the outlets above w/l are high enough and don't end up below w/l.
looking fwd to the next installment!
cheers
V.
waynes world
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Hi V, yes i know what you mean that the weight is not all that low down for use as ballast, although the water tanks hold 150l or thereabouts, and two 110 batteries, tanks and batteries are either below or on the water line. And i have saved space in the bow for an idea to make a lead billet for ballast, another project idea i have, i have loads, maybe 30kg of old lead weighs in the shed these boats need more in the bow than stern.
In the end i will not know untill it afloat then i will arrange the ballast.
Oh and outlets, the transom/engine well i set it from memory 70mm above the original and can be risen more as the way i made it the engine well floor can be lifted if need be. there are no other outlets for th bilge pumps and heads etc yet but they will be a lot higher.
Hi V, yes i know what you mean that the weight is not all that low down for use as ballast, although the water tanks hold 150l or thereabouts, and two 110 batteries, tanks and batteries are either below or on the water line. And i have saved space in the bow for an idea to make a lead billet for ballast, another project idea i have, i have loads, maybe 30kg of old lead weighs in the shed
these boats need more in the bow than stern.In the end i will not know untill it afloat then i will arrange the ballast.
Oh and outlets, the transom/engine well i set it from memory 70mm above the original and can be risen more as the way i made it the engine well floor can be lifted if need be. there are no other outlets for th bilge pumps and heads etc yet but they will be a lot higher.
sarabande
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Wayne, as there seems to be a consensus of concern about the extra weight, I wonder if, instead of lead ballast in the bilge, you might fabricate a steel shoe and attach it to the keel. You have the skills, and in addition to the righting function a shoe would be protection against grounding.
I am pretty sure the weight of steel shoe would not affect the roll characteristics of the boat by making it too 'whippy', as it would not be that far below the centre of flotation.
Wayne, as there seems to be a consensus of concern about the extra weight, I wonder if, instead of lead ballast in the bilge, you might fabricate a steel shoe and attach it to the keel. You have the skills, and in addition to the righting function a shoe would be protection against grounding.
I am pretty sure the weight of steel shoe would not affect the roll characteristics of the boat by making it too 'whippy', as it would not be that far below the centre of flotation.
waynes world
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I like that idea, once afloat i will look into that then. Good idea
When i replaced the inner wooden keel i was for a while, like i do, debate over how to do it, well more what to replace it with. One idea was concrete, but, and i cant remember why now majority of folk said its a bad idea to use concrete.
I like that idea, once afloat i will look into that then. Good idea
When i replaced the inner wooden keel i was for a while, like i do, debate over how to do it, well more what to replace it with. One idea was concrete, but, and i cant remember why now majority of folk said its a bad idea to use concrete.
waynes world
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A thought i had a good time ago, maybe some have noticed me mention it in the blog here, idea was to make bilge keels for the boat, more was so i could dry it out when on the sea and it can/maybe always help with stability.
The idea was then though to make GRP bigles, now after a quick work out if i go stainless steel keel then this will add more weight than a keel band/foot i would think, the keel is not that long but i need to work that weight out yet, for the bilge keels though they will weight around 20kg-25kg each, being 10mm 316 SS and 36"x18" , shaped though.
What i would do though is fit the spreader plates to the boat then later make them and these can then be bolted onto the outer plate. The spreader plates being 6mm or 8mm SS plates inner and outer, bonded and laminated internally. outer sikaflex bonded and bolted through to the inner.
Worth it or not for ballast and stability?
A thought i had a good time ago, maybe some have noticed me mention it in the blog here, idea was to make bilge keels for the boat, more was so i could dry it out when on the sea and it can/maybe always help with stability.
The idea was then though to make GRP bigles, now after a quick work out if i go stainless steel keel then this will add more weight than a keel band/foot i would think, the keel is not that long but i need to work that weight out yet, for the bilge keels though they will weight around 20kg-25kg each, being 10mm 316 SS and 36"x18" , shaped though.
What i would do though is fit the spreader plates to the boat then later make them and these can then be bolted onto the outer plate. The spreader plates being 6mm or 8mm SS plates inner and outer, bonded and laminated internally. outer sikaflex bonded and bolted through to the inner.
Worth it or not for ballast and stability?
waynes world
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I just had to do a sample of the hull paint to see how it will look, i thought it was a bit to blue in the tin if you know what i mean, i like it but maybe a bit to bright, i was hoping for a darker shade.
Only update is without pics but then they will look no different from the previous as all i have done is fix the lining in place and insulated behind them. Got a lot more to do so todays task after xmas shopping
is to get more cut out and if warm enough fix them down.
Disaster........
We have had that much rin over the last few days i found a leak in a window frame, all i can say is i had what i call ` a moment` i sat down took a deep breath and head in hands for a few minutes. I was not a happy chappy, i can tell you.
After that i made a brew and came back and looked at the problem, all it was is that the drain channels in the frame had block up with dust and much and the water had built up over the lip, it was just a small drip but even a drip is to much no matter how often it drips.
Disaster no more
But for the Houdini is leaking again, i tried the Creep Crack when i fitted it, i will be removing it and having a go at stripping it and resealing it, i have read ll stories on these, i am sure if it can be it will be done.
Oh and good mate sent me this, it needs a spring or something, i will ask him again but i think it suits nice.
Need to make a bracket to mount it as there is nowhere for it to sit but below the grab rail.
I just had to do a sample of the hull paint to see how it will look, i thought it was a bit to blue in the tin if you know what i mean, i like it but maybe a bit to bright, i was hoping for a darker shade.
Only update is without pics but then they will look no different from the previous as all i have done is fix the lining in place and insulated behind them. Got a lot more to do so todays task after xmas shopping
is to get more cut out and if warm enough fix them down.Disaster........
We have had that much rin over the last few days i found a leak in a window frame, all i can say is i had what i call ` a moment` i sat down took a deep breath and head in hands for a few minutes. I was not a happy chappy, i can tell you.
After that i made a brew and came back and looked at the problem, all it was is that the drain channels in the frame had block up with dust and much and the water had built up over the lip, it was just a small drip but even a drip is to much no matter how often it drips.
Disaster no more
But for the Houdini is leaking again, i tried the Creep Crack when i fitted it, i will be removing it and having a go at stripping it and resealing it, i have read ll stories on these, i am sure if it can be it will be done.
Oh and good mate sent me this, it needs a spring or something, i will ask him again but i think it suits nice.
Need to make a bracket to mount it as there is nowhere for it to sit but below the grab rail.
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NormanB
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You do know how much a square painted blue is worth don't you?
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I just had to do a sample of the hull paint to see how it will look, i thought it was a bit to blue in the tin if you know what i mean, i like it but maybe a bit to bright, i was hoping for a darker shade.
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You do know how much a square painted blue is worth don't you?
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waynes world
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Yep reason i am selling the tin and not the blue square will be on ebay soon so keep a look out for a blue sky abstract painting
Yep reason i am selling the tin and not the blue square
will be on ebay soon so keep a look out for a blue sky abstract painting
vas
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nah,
different hue, not worth that much and comeon, on a piece of plasterboard, ts ts...
serious, I think this blue is way too bold and once you spread it on the whole hull, will be rather harsh
(all imho of course!)
Why don't you look at car paints (or truck ones that are harder wearing)?
cheers
V.
nah,
different hue, not worth that much and comeon, on a piece of plasterboard, ts ts...
serious, I think this blue is way too bold and once you spread it on the whole hull, will be rather harsh
(all imho of course!)
Why don't you look at car paints (or truck ones that are harder wearing)?
cheers
V.
Bouba
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If you already own the paint you could add a little black pigment
If you already own the paint you could add a little black pigment
waynes world
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I will have you know this is painted on hand laid Mancunian GRP, non of this poncy canvas stuff.
I like this paint as it does not need prep work for extra coats/repairs or patchwork etc. Well so it says on the tin.
Is it not a good paint though V, just asking from you saying you a more hard wearing paint. it is Jotun Pioner top coat. There are loads of shade to look, at, already found another that is a lot darker as in what i wanted in the first place..
Not sure if that can be done. Would it need a certain pigment?
I will have you know this is painted on hand laid Mancunian GRP
, non of this poncy canvas stuff. I like this paint as it does not need prep work for extra coats/repairs or patchwork etc. Well so it says on the tin.
Is it not a good paint though V, just asking from you saying you a more hard wearing paint. it is Jotun Pioner top coat. There are loads of shade to look, at, already found another that is a lot darker as in what i wanted in the first place..
Not sure if that can be done. Would it need a certain pigment?
Bouba
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All coloured paint comes from pigment, not sure if there is marine only pigment. The trick is to use only a little bit. It's usually available at diy shops, they may even tint it for you at the paint dept. Then do another test panel and after drying give it a good kicking to see if it's durable
waynes world
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no update but i have been forgetting to add my shopping incase folk have bits n bobs knocking about. this is the updated one as i have got a few bits since.
SS Bow roller
LED lights, Internal berth and down light and external for rear deck.
LED Heads light water proof
Solar Vent
Galley sink
Head sink
Bilge pumps float switch`s two needed.
LPG Morco water heater or similar room sealed type.
SS Horn
SS Navigation lights
Anchor 8kg
Trailer rollers keel
Porta loo, nice one please
Morse cables 10 foot`ish
Thank you
Wayne
no update but i have been forgetting to add my shopping incase folk have bits n bobs knocking about. this is the updated one as i have got a few bits since.
SS Bow roller
LED lights, Internal berth and down light and external for rear deck.
LED Heads light water proof
Solar Vent
Galley sink
Head sink
Bilge pumps float switch`s two needed.
LPG Morco water heater or similar room sealed type.
SS Horn
SS Navigation lights
Anchor 8kg
Trailer rollers keel
Porta loo, nice one please
Morse cables 10 foot`ish
Thank you
Wayne
waynes world
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Sorry forgot to include the reply i last post.
I think i will just get another tin, for the sake of £40 a tin, i am going to call them to see which is closer to the colour i want, which is a Navy Blue shade.
Sorry forgot to include the reply i last post.
I think i will just get another tin, for the sake of £40 a tin, i am going to call them to see which is closer to the colour i want, which is a Navy Blue shade.
waynes world
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It has been a while since much has been with one thing and another but today i had to get the front cleats fitted, reason is so then i can get the bow insulated and lined out.
As in previous posts i have made the cleat spreader plates from 18mm ply and 3mm SS plate.
I wanted to set this in the middle of the pulpit rail legs and close to the edge, infact the spreaders i made needed to be cut back by 15mm down one edge so they would fit, no big deal there though.
Drilled out with a 3mm bit first then to 10mm for the M10 bolt, trial fitted then out to 12mm hole, this is so the Sikaflex 291i will fill the bolt better. The a counter sink for s a bigger surface area and better adhesion of the Sikaflex again.
Yes the holes look out from the markings, but when counter sinking the bit needs to be spot on central and well i am not perfic
On the inside i gave a good sand back to remove all loose paint and cleaned back as with the rest of the fittings, acetone was used as always.
Plenty of Sikalfex was used, around the holes and on the cleat edges to make sure
On the spreaders plenty again.
steady crank it up until it oozes out the edges of the plates, then excess can be used to seal more the ply.
Grab the nearest thing to scrap the excess from the cleat itself, and wipe away excess with help of acetone again. and jobs a good un
Tomorrow i hope to get a bit more lining out done, if its to cold to use the foam then i will see about the frame work for the galley or head. Oh ye, i will refit the door for the cabin first and see if the gas strut i have will do the job, cant remember the Nm/kg they are.
It has been a while since much has been with one thing and another but today i had to get the front cleats fitted, reason is so then i can get the bow insulated and lined out.
As in previous posts i have made the cleat spreader plates from 18mm ply and 3mm SS plate.
I wanted to set this in the middle of the pulpit rail legs and close to the edge, infact the spreaders i made needed to be cut back by 15mm down one edge so they would fit, no big deal there though.
Drilled out with a 3mm bit first then to 10mm for the M10 bolt, trial fitted then out to 12mm hole, this is so the Sikaflex 291i will fill the bolt better. The a counter sink for s a bigger surface area and better adhesion of the Sikaflex again.
Yes the holes look out from the markings, but when counter sinking the bit needs to be spot on central and well i am not perfic
On the inside i gave a good sand back to remove all loose paint and cleaned back as with the rest of the fittings, acetone was used as always.
Plenty of Sikalfex was used, around the holes and on the cleat edges to make sure
On the spreaders plenty again.
steady crank it up until it oozes out the edges of the plates, then excess can be used to seal more the ply.
Grab the nearest thing to scrap the excess from the cleat itself, and wipe away excess with help of acetone again. and jobs a good un
Tomorrow i hope to get a bit more lining out done, if its to cold to use the foam then i will see about the frame work for the galley or head. Oh ye, i will refit the door for the cabin first and see if the gas strut i have will do the job, cant remember the Nm/kg they are.
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