rtchina
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If Britain leaves the EU, will British registered boats have to leave Greece after a set period as the Aussies and Yanks etc have to do now? God, I hope not. Better vote in.
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chinita
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You had better get a wiggle on - your postal vote must be registered by 5pm bst today!
rtchina
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Did a proxy vote with somebody I could trust, hopefully.
Bobc
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Quite. Don't worry about all the people who can't get jobs or are struggling to make ends meet because of mass imigration, or the fishermen who can't survive financially, or the businesses that are drowning under EU red tape. You just go ahead and vote so you can keep your boat in Greece
overstag
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So Bob, you expect a brexit to be economically beneficial to Britain? Never mind if you don't believe the IMF or the Bank of England, but have you looked at the Pound-Euro exchange rate lately? Have you seen the reports about the gigantic cash drain out of Britain over the fear of a Brexit?
rtchina, perhaps you could re-flag your boat to a Euro-flag before the effective date? I'm sure the Dutch or Belgian registry will become very popular....
rtchina, perhaps you could re-flag your boat to a Euro-flag before the effective date? I'm sure the Dutch or Belgian registry will become very popular....
sailaboutvic
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What ever happens it not going to happen over night . So chill enjoy while you can ,
macd
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That remains to be seen, but you are probably asking the less urgent question. Non-EU boats can actually stay quite a long time in EU waters; it's their non-EU crew that are limited to (usually) three months.
There have been lots of threads addressing similar issues. Reading them will cause most people to lose the will to live - anywhere.
Bobc
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I've said nothing of the sort.
The point I'm making is that you are proposing making a decision on our country's future, simply based on whether you'll be able to keep your boat in Greece or not. Short-sighted and selfish.
Koeketiene
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There's a crack down on Belgian registration in full swing at the moment.
Brought about by complaints from other EU countries (mainly France).
We just had to renew our Belgian registration and were asked to provide proof of nationality (or failing that, residency).
To be able to register your boat in Belgium, you now have to be either Belgian or a Belgian resident.
There's also legislation in the works whereby the skipper/owner would have to hold some sort of sailing qualification. It looks like they will settle on the ICC.
There will also be more stringent requirements regarding safety equipment to be carried o/b. Much in line with French regulations.
All of this should take effect from January 2018.
Tony Cross
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I do know that the Greek Marinas Association has plans to petition the Greek government for some sort of arrangement to be made to allow UK flagged boats to remain in Greek waters should the vote be out.
macd
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That might not be helpful if the boat can stay but the owners can't. But clearly It could be useful for owners who merely visit their boat periodically. In either case, the attraction of such a concession to marinas is obvious, except that it may breach EU VAT regulations. It's a great big wriggling bag of unknowns.
Carmel2
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All those Italian boats with flags of convenience.............
rtchina
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If everybody made a decision based on how it affected them rather than some mythical goal of "retaining sovereignty" what ever that means to the the average person, we would be staying in the EU. Yes, it needs reform, with a competent politician to lead the charge, like Kurz in Austria, instead of the yar boo sucks schoolboys we have at the moment...... But I digress. All the intelligent educated specialists say that leaving would be harmful to the economy. Good enough for me.
colind3782
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I have my boat in Spain. My heart says out, my head says in, I'm still in doubt, so who will win?
BrianH
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In the event of a Brexit I could convert from UK to an Italian flag of convenience.
It would be a simple matter to define my 31' (9.4m) vessel with my Italian harbour authorities as no longer British Pt I registered and buy an Italian ensign to wear. This is possible because only vessels of 10m and more in Italy can be placed on the Italian ship register, all others can be whatever their owner claims they are.
But then there's the small matter of the UK VHF licence and SRC, plus a UK MMSI being broadcast with the AIS signal - I suppose they complicate things. Then again, no one has officially noted any such details in Italy, I'm sure I can maintain some sort of dual identity - British Dr Jekyll in international waters, Italian Mr Hyde in EU waters ... If I can remember to turn off the AIS transponder.
shan
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Quite. Don't worry about all the people who can't get jobs or are struggling to make ends meet because of mass imigration, or the fishermen who can't survive financially, or the businesses that are drowning under EU red tape. You just go ahead and vote so you can keep your boat in Greece
£65bn of investment has been pulled out of the UK in March & April because of the fear of a Brexit. Do you really think that is economically beneficial? Who do you think suffers when companies cut costs or cut back on investments???
maxi77
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The simple answer is perhaps. As the Brexit campaigners have no plan for what will happen when they become 'independant' no one has any idea what our relationship with the EU will be. If we do not make some deal with the EU it could be that all UK boats have to be out of EU waters, not just Greece within 6 months of the actual day we leave which should be 2 years after we formally start the leaving process.
Tranona
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That is all just guesswork. Nobody has any real idea what the process of leaving will be, nor of the terms that will be negotiated with either the EU as a whole or individual states. There is no real precedent. The 2 years is misleading. That is only one way the process can begin and is triggered by the EU, the other is a repeal of the European Communities Act by parliament which is perhaps more likely if there is a narrow leave as the current government is more likely to follow that route.
Other than our individual votes on the principle we have no say in how it affects us as individuals.
maxi77
Active member
Of course it is all guess work, the Brexit team have absolutely no plan for the future and I suspect if the vote is to leave there is going to be one hell of a panic
Squeaky
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Good morning:
I have noticed this claim many times and wonder just how in heck anyone is supposed to be able to provide details of what life will be like outside the EU when the negotiations have not even began. Of course those who wish to remain in will come up with all kinds of scare stories which have absolutely no basis in reality. Once the vote has been counted and if those voting to leave the EU win the day then negotiations will begin and obviously the UK negotiators will argue for the best deal possible for the UK and those on the EU side will argue for the best for the balance of the countries remaining. What will be the end result? No one knows but at least the UK will not be dictated to by a bunch of incompetents from Brussels.
Gives me a rather queasy feeling when I read or hear someone claim that the UK should remain in because it gives them some minor benefit such as traveling to France without a visa especially when I think of the thousands who died fighting in WW I and II to keep the UK from being dominated by another country.
Surely the right to change the government every five years is worth something more important than some minor personal inconvenience - has anyone ever contemplated changing the "powers to be" in Brussels?
Cheers
Squeaky
